Law Enforcement Losing the Ability to Protect the Citizens?

[26 Inf]

I'm gonna do my part to sort out my own stuff, but honestly if I'm walking around wondering where I left my pants then I assume my El Presidente skills will have also suffered.

That is why I'm nice to my kids.

[jsbhike]

Wondered about the court house there.

https://www.officer.com/command-hq/n...les-with-money

"Still, the sheriff has some help. A small band of volunteer deputies — many retirees — acts as back-up in the evenings *******and offers court security.********"

[Averageman]

If you want to keep a normal level of Law Enforcement available, quit abusing the system and don't commit crimes.
I told my Son that the smartest policy is to avoid interactions with Law Enforcement Officers at "most" costs. Wave "Hi" at Cops, Thank them for their work, but unless you've had to shoot someone or someone is breaking in to your home while you are there, you really don't need Cops.
You either need to be a good witness, or to defend yourself, 90% of everything else is some drama that might likely cause you to spend a night in jail.
It's pretty simple and this used to be common knowledge.

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

If you want to keep a normal level of Law Enforcement available, quit abusing the system and don't commit crimes.
I told my Son that the smartest policy is to avoid interactions with Law Enforcement Officers at "most" costs. Wave "Hi" at Cops, Thank them for their work, but unless you've had to shoot someone or someone is breaking in to your home while you are there, you really don't need Cops.
You either need to be a good witness, or to defend yourself, 90% of everything else is some drama that might likely cause you to spend a night in jail.
It's pretty simple and this used to be common knowledge.

That is sound advice.

[sundance435]

First, as much as I despise Chicago politics and what it does to the rest of the state, it is not a "war zone". The chance of a crime of force being perpetrated on you in any part of Chicago you'd ever actually visit is really no greater than in any major city - which is one reason why I choose not to live in a major city. Second, I'm rural by birth but I've lived all over - small, medium, metro cities. Maybe it's because it's what I'm used to, but you could not pay me enough to live in a big city or suburban area again. Around here, the police write tickets, get an occasional K9 drug bust, etc. They're friends, neighbors, etc. I've never viewed them as my first and last line of protection. There is a thin blue line in the traditional sense, that their presence keeps a certain amount of disorder from happening, but, ultimately, you're responsible for your own safety. The majority of people today don't seem to view it that way, which gives us gun control and other various symptomatic overreach by the government.

When you've worked in LE, you have an acute appreciation for "help is only 15-30 minutes away", no matter where you live. I try to get that message across to friends, but it's such a foreign concept to many of them.

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

We had a series of burglaries in a large apartment complex once that we kept getting called out to. This complex is so large that you could post half of my department there and not deter any crime. I made a suggestion to a young female that claimed she had seen the burglar in her home (no sign of forced entry or even entry) that she needed to take measures to protect herself because even on our best day, we are still minutes away. Her family complained to my supervisors about my suggestion.

We want to protect you. We will drive at breakneck speeds in dangerous weather and risk being shot or killed to protect you. But the reality is, when you are in danger, seconds count. When seconds count, the police are still minutes away. A lot of bad things can happen in the span of a few minutes. Can you protect you and your family while you wait for the cavalry?

*Cue the rapid anti-cop posse on M4C that will tell me I have no duty to protect citizens, I would shoot their dog, jack boot thug, etc*

[jsbhike]

We had a series of burglaries in a large apartment complex once that we kept getting called out to. This complex is so large that you could post half of my department there and not deter any crime. I made a suggestion to a young female that claimed she had seen the burglar in her home (no sign of forced entry or even entry) that she needed to take measures to protect herself because even on our best day, we are still minutes away. Her family complained to my supervisors about my suggestion.

We want to protect you. We will drive at breakneck speeds in dangerous weather and risk being shot or killed to protect you. But the reality is, when you are in danger, seconds count. When seconds count, the police are still minutes away. A lot of bad things can happen in the span of a few minutes. Can you protect you and your family while you wait for the cavalry?

*Cue the rapid anti-cop posse on M4C that will tell me I have no duty to protect citizens, I would shoot their dog, jack boot thug, etc*

Well you aren't legally obligated to protect anyone and there are dog shooting jack booted thugs, figuratively speaking and literally in some cases.

That being said, that group wouldn't give the advice you gave the young woman and would only point out Not making it on time after the fact in a worse case outcome scenario and even then wouldn't give the good advice to the next young woman. You aren't lumped in.

[The_War_Wagon]

Suburban Pittsburgh departments are getting shuttered, leaving coverage to state police!

It ain't just rural areas anymore - MORE examples here.

[Honu]

We had a series of burglaries in a large apartment complex once that we kept getting called out to. This complex is so large that you could post half of my department there and not deter any crime. I made a suggestion to a young female that claimed she had seen the burglar in her home (no sign of forced entry or even entry) that she needed to take measures to protect herself because even on our best day, we are still minutes away. Her family complained to my supervisors about my suggestion.

We want to protect you. We will drive at breakneck speeds in dangerous weather and risk being shot or killed to protect you. But the reality is, when you are in danger, seconds count. When seconds count, the police are still minutes away. A lot of bad things can happen in the span of a few minutes. Can you protect you and your family while you wait for the cavalry?

*Cue the rapid anti-cop posse on M4C that will tell me I have no duty to protect citizens, I would shoot their dog, jack boot thug, etc*

sadly I think the majority are put in positions by the political ones the chiefs and so on who then are either acting on peer pressure or by political pressure and the rapid anti cop crap is happening I would not want to be a LEO these days

but its not just LEO its our sad society today narcissism and socialism and other influences hit everyone in all lines of work
911 what is your emergency ? the McDonalds burger was cold !!!! and the idiot behind the counter would not give me a new one ?
should be OK we will be there soon then arrest that twit and make them pay a HUGE fine

I try to make sure not to lump the good in with the bad but with the top being influenced and the idiots being hired that should not be their
watering down the good guys numbers I do think is small but like the radical left they ruin it for all ?
I know my days in the FD there was a bit of self policing that could make the cut or not ! today that hazing would not stand sadly its what made the FD brotherhood so freaking strong and my LEO friend back in the day had the same thing somewhat I do wish there could be more of this today ?

my buddy said it best when I was in the FD you guys can chainsaw open their home flood it with water and get cookies the next day at the station ! I knock on the door to return property and get WHAT DO YOU WANT ! then well it sure took you long enough !!!
so public perception is huge and of course our last pres did nothing to help that

reckon everyone should be forced to do 40+ hours ride along to see what its about !!! but then again I would hate hate hate to be that LEO doing them with the idiocy input I am sure you would get hahahahaahha

I do think LE in general is falling apart
prosecutor says LEO mess up so many arrests these days by over stepping
but at the same time judges now putting personal feelings into things are messing it up and of course even prosecutors to being to one side or just wanting to do less work ? but if everyone in the system stayed in their own lane it would work but nobody is anymore ! just like roadways everyone wants to be in the left lane and this is what we get ! so its not just LEO its the whole system to be clear

so to this and the OP topic yeah I agree but its our society as a whole sadly



stay frosty my friend !!!!

[jsbhike]

sadly I think the majority are put in positions by the political ones the chiefs and so on who then are either acting on peer pressure or by political pressure and the rapid anti cop crap is happening I would not want to be a LEO these days

but its not just LEO its our sad society today narcissism and socialism and other influences hit everyone in all lines of work
911 what is your emergency ? the McDonalds burger was cold !!!! and the idiot behind the counter would not give me a new one ?
should be OK we will be there soon then arrest that twit and make them pay a HUGE fine

I try to make sure not to lump the good in with the bad but with the top being influenced and the idiots being hired that should not be their
watering down the good guys numbers I do think is small but like the radical left they ruin it for all ?
I know my days in the FD there was a bit of self policing that could make the cut or not ! today that hazing would not stand sadly its what made the FD brotherhood so freaking strong and my LEO friend back in the day had the same thing somewhat I do wish there could be more of this today ?

my buddy said it best when I was in the FD you guys can chainsaw open their home flood it with water and get cookies the next day at the station ! I knock on the door to return property and get WHAT DO YOU WANT ! then well it sure took you long enough !!!
so public perception is huge and of course our last pres did nothing to help that

reckon everyone should be forced to do 40+ hours ride along to see what its about !!! but then again I would hate hate hate to be that LEO doing them with the idiocy input I am sure you would get hahahahaahha

I do think LE in general is falling apart
prosecutor says LEO mess up so many arrests these days by over stepping
but at the same time judges now putting personal feelings into things are messing it up and of course even prosecutors to being to one side or just wanting to do less work ? but if everyone in the system stayed in their own lane it would work but nobody is anymore ! just like roadways everyone wants to be in the left lane and this is what we get ! so its not just LEO its the whole system to be clear

so to this and the OP topic yeah I agree but its our society as a whole sadly



stay frosty my friend !!!!

Conversely, I think police, judges, and prosecutors should have to work a few years in some job where they have no authority and, more importantly, no immunity before they can take on those positions. Nothing is 100% perfect, of course, but that could thin the herd of some duds.