UFO's

[Det-Sog]

Unless human existence on planet Earth is part of something that originated in some other part of our island of stars (Galaxy) and what science thinks happened randomly was part of some external input????

One of the more popular theories now is that the building blocks for life as we know it on this planet were deposited billions of years ago by meteors. They have found microbes that can survive being frozen in the vacuum of space. They don't die. They just freeze in hibernation, then reanimate when they warm up. Many scientists believe that RNA and DNA were deposited on earth this way. No telling where they came from. This may not be the ONLY way that life started on earth, but they believe it could be and/or supplemented the life generation process here.

As for UFOs... I'm a big-jet transoceanic pilot. I'm up looking at the stars at all times of the evening and have a great view. I've NEVER seen anything that I haven't been able to explain. I BELIEVE there is life out there somewhere, but... SteyrAUG nails it imho.

I think if an alien species was capable of traveling to our planet their capability would be so advanced we'd never even know they were there. Also if we ever were visited, they probably were looking at dinosaurs which have been the primary inhabitants of this planet for a lot longer than us.

That. Now factor the age of the universe, it's possible that other civilizations have come and gone extinct. There may have been, and may will be many more intelligent creatures out there. Stars blow up, planets die. Beings on said planets that get wiped clean in a super nova... Next consider the SIZE of the known universe and the distance between celestial systems. There could be thousands of intelligent races in our own galaxy with our intelligence and we won't know. They are too far away. The universe is huge. Even if there was a trans warp capable civilization out there, the offs of them FINDING us are almost nil. It would have to happen almost by accident.

But but but... What about our radio and TV signals??? Don't read this unless you want to be depressed. They are being washed out by the background noise of our star. Someone would have to be less than a light year or two away from us at the most to be able to detect our electronic signature. Think of a candle in front of a nuclear bomb. If you look at the bomb flash from a few thousand miles away, the candle light will be undetectable. Same theory. Even if detectable, it could take thousands or even millions for said signals to reach another civilization. So, E.T. would LITERALLY have to be walking through the front door to even know the house was occupied. Edited... This works BOTH ways. There could be thousands of other civilizations with radio and TV. Their star will drown out their signals the same way that our star does... We really may NEVER know.

Yes, they're out there. I'm not sure we'll know for certain within the next few hundred or thousand years. I'm guessing a few hundred. Now ask ourselves, do we want to be found? If a trans warp capable civilization found us, it would be like us discovering some new type of ant colony. What if the visitors are not nice?

[OH58D]

Det-Sog, take a look at my earlier post about what I experienced post-Army retirement. I have never seen anything before with flight dynamics like I experienced that early morning on the Navajo Reservation. Whether is was E.T. or E.T. technology passed on to the government, or just super secret technology created here, I have no idea. There's certainly a lot going on that we are not privy to.

BTW, my eldest son is married to an Air Force pilot. She drives the C-17 Globemaster III.

[Det-Sog]

Det-Sog, take a look at my earlier post about what I experienced post-Army retirement. I have never seen anything before with flight dynamics like I experienced that early morning on the Navajo Reservation. Whether is was E.T. or E.T. technology passed on to the government, or just super secret technology created here, I have no idea. There's certainly a lot going on that we are not privy to.

BTW, my eldest son is married to an Air Force pilot. She drives the C-17 Globemaster III.

Agreed. There is a lot going on out there. I was not doubting you at all.

[OH58D]

When you look at the F-14 pilot's gun camera footage, toggling between white hot and black hot, there is no heat signature of engine exhaust from the target they were engaging. Also, what kind of being can withstand G-forces with a drop from 60,000 feet to sea level in 2 seconds? Lots of questions and no answers - but lots of speculation.

I think that if there is intelligent life which is external to planet Earth, it may be something that is not biological or carbon based as we would understand.

[jmp45]

When you look at the F-14 pilot's gun camera footage, toggling between white hot and black hot, there is no heat signature of engine exhaust from the target they were engaging. Also, what kind of being can withstand G-forces with a drop from 60,000 feet to sea level in 2 seconds? Lots of questions and no answers - but lots of speculation.

I think that if there is intelligent life which is external to planet Earth, it may be something that is not biological or carbon based as we would understand.

Watch that clip from temple on the mount I posted back a page. There are multiple views of that incident recorded on youtube from others at different angles. Check out the rapid ascension. That is not man made, and I believe not a UFO. No physical manned craft, I believe alien or human could make that possible. In this case I'll go with my first of the three on this one.

[Det-Sog]

Maybe should be a multiple choice. Angelic, Alien or Government, could be all three. No way any maned craft could take the Gs from the Temple Mount incident in 2011.

Temple Mount is fake, these guys do a pretty good job of de-bunking it. Think about this. One of the most visited and photographed places in the WORLD. There would be HUNDREDS of high resolution photos and videos as well as THOUSANDS of witnesses. This would have created a religious pilgrimage to the likes the world has not seen in thousands of years. https://www.livescience.com/12826-je...-ufo-hoax.html

[SteyrAUG]

Unless human existence on planet Earth is part of something that originated in some other part of our island of stars (Galaxy) and what science thinks happened randomly was part of some external input????

Are you talking about cosmic seeding? If so I tend to agree that the fundamentals for life are probably everywhere and happen every time a suitable environment develops, but I don't know that single cell organisms always eventually result in something like homo sapiens.

If not for an asteroid, dinosaurs still might rule the planet. Their destruction opened the way for the development of mammals to fill the void and diversify. But up to that point, they were the dominant predator and keeping our numbers, and development in check. Similarly, if home sapiens suddenly disappeared, some other species would flourish in the void. But that doesn't necessarily mean they will achieve sentience. That might be something that is actually rare indeed even if multi-cellular life forms are somewhat common.

The reality is self aware intelligent life might have happened thousands of times already but over the span of billions of years and the space of billions of miles they never had the opportunity to encounter one another even if they had the technology.

Mathematically they should exist, but using the same math it is unlikely we'd run into each other very much.

[OH58D]

Are you talking about cosmic seeding? If so I tend to agree that the fundamentals for life are probably everywhere and happen every time a suitable environment develops, but I don't know that single cell organisms always eventually result in something like homo sapiens.

Certainly this kind of discussion is above my pay grade, but I have always thought that there is a mix of science, theology all mixed in with some kind of external input into what has happened on our planet. I am a Christian, believing in a Supreme Being, but I don't buy into literal Biblical thought. I think of it more as the Cliff Notes of greater concepts.

When you consider the creation of the Earth in Genesis, this has been attributed to Moses receiving this information via a Divine source. The fact is the sequence of Genesis is a quick abridged version of what actually happened. A simple vision of something Moses' could not have understood, but provided in a way for easy comprehension. A blast from nothing creating the start of the universe, a molten earth, then a water covered earth, etc. Man is the last "creation" in the sequence. Its all in Genesis. Now how would a Moses who lived 3000 years ago know the proper sequence of events of the early solar system without some external input? The creation of the human is indicative of a transfer of knowledge, not the physical creation; "Let us create Man in our image". What is the image of a being that fills the universe? It's not a nose or fingers and toes. It's an evolutionary process which is crowned by the addition of "that something extra" given to mankind. It's kind of Arthur C. Clarke and his Obelisk in 2001 a Space Odyssey.

Now we hear of Dark Matter and the concept of multiple universes. It blows the mind. It's just a gut feeling that there is something more going on that is bigger than anyone could ever imagine, and maybe some of these encounters, UFO's, etc. are part of that? Please understand I am not a Bible thumper, and most of my thoughts would get me tossed from most organized denominations. That's fine, but somehow I think what we know, what we wonder about and theology is somehow tied to something that is incredible...."Something Wonderful"... to quote the film "2001...".

[MountainRaven]

It's an evolutionary process which is crowned by the addition of "that something extra" given to mankind. It's kind of Arthur C. Clarke and his Obelisk in 2001 a Space Odyssey.

Monolith. They were Monoliths.

Also: Don't forget that the entire universe as we understand it might be a hologram of 2-dimensional data.

[26 Inf]

OH58D: We share many of the same thoughts regarding God explaining things to folks in a way they could understand.

I also note that, in my readings, I have not understood that God guaranteed that we were the only ones he created in his image.