China and Russia Defeat the US says...

[Wake27]

Also, I hope it wouldn’t take long to catch up, but right now our Law of Armed Conflict does not support a successful ending to a war with either.


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[Coal Dragger]

Neither have the subs, carriers, or naval aircraft we have though.

Well aircraft carriers are obsolete and stupid, just huge targets for anti-ship missiles that cost relatively little. They’re also extremely noisy and easy to detect by submarines. The Chinese don’t need a deep water Navy or the best submarines to keep US carrier groups so far out that the airplanes they carry are not combat effective. Unfortunately US Navy brass consist of lot’s of aviators that refuse to accept this reality. So we spend more money on antiques. Carriers are really good for flexing on 3rd world opponents with no anti-ship capability, I have doubts they’re relevant for projecting power ashore against a peer or near peer opponent.

[WillBrink]

I wonder what strategy they would take in defeating us?

Turn off the wi fi!

[WillBrink]

Also, I hope it wouldn’t take long to catch up, but right now our Law of Armed Conflict does not support a successful ending to a war with either.


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"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve"

[26 Inf]

Is our fleet even operating anywhere near an effective level?

I don't think so, look at the issues that were brought to light as a result of the McCain and Fitzgerald incidents.

Plus, they are talking about retiring the USS Truman (CVN-75) early instead of refueling her reactor in 2024. This would essentially cut 20 years of the Truman's service life.

The Navy has to worry about keeping two shipyards in particular in business: Newport News, which is reported to be the only shipyard in the world capable of building a nuclear powered carrier, and Electric Boat in Groton, Connecticut, which is the largest builder of nuclear subs.

In other news, the Pentagon is wanting to order a bunch of F-15x's, the Air Force may not be so anxious to get the new 'old' fighters: https://taskandpurpose.com/air-force-f15x-purchase-f35

[ABNAK]

Never invade China. Never invade Russia. If they were wise they would never even attempt to invade us. Invading is one thing; hitting targets like airfields (with conventional munitions) cannot be ruled out and should therefore be planned for accordingly. This goes both ways of course.

Outside of those parameters it would be a [hopefully] limited encounter, however bloody it may be, that would take place near "flash points". Unfortunately for us, those very "flash points" (SE Europe, the ME, SW Asia, the Far East) are all much closer to potential enemies than they are to us. Of course then the need in those situations to hit airfields in China/Russia proper becomes more likely, more pronounced. We are still thousands of miles away.

The inherent danger of the above strategy is that China/Russia, pissed that they've been hit on home soil, would be determined to hit us here some how, some way. THAT would have the potential of ramping the conflict up significantly.

Basically we would see such a conflict in a more tactical sense, while they would see it in a more strategic way.

[Business_Casual]

Admiral: We need a report.

Rand: Mo’ money?

Admiral: My man!

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Outside of a coordinated attack in multiple theaters, the problem with 'defeating' the US is that since the US has 3-4 times the military power that any enemy faces at one time, you then get to do it again- and maybe a couple more times- all while you are an international pariah, whose neighbors are all more then happy to see you taken down a notch or two. And you are fighting a war in your economic zone..

In fact, I'd bet that you'd be able to get a sucker punch in on the US and the US would take time and rally economic and political pressure, while they wind up the wheelhouse hit.

People don't realize how inherently unstable China is. It looks like a fine watch that just keeps ticking, but it has a bunch of springs that will screw everything up if knocked out of alignment.

Russia's play will always be a softer play with the destabilizing the Baltic countries internally before they go in to 'safeguard' their Russian minorities. Russia is just waiting for the West to screw itself financially with debt and socialism, and then pick up scraps- kind of an odd turn-about on the 90s.

[Wake27]

I don't think so, look at the issues that were brought to light as a result of the McCain and Fitzgerald incidents.

Plus, they are talking about retiring the USS Truman (CVN-75) early instead of refueling her reactor in 2024. This would essentially cut 20 years of the Truman's service life.

The Navy has to worry about keeping two shipyards in particular in business: Newport News, which is reported to be the only shipyard in the world capable of building a nuclear powered carrier, and Electric Boat in Groton, Connecticut, which is the largest builder of nuclear subs.

Good points. I’m actually doing a small report on all of this stuff right now and the industrial base is a huge concern. Same with the training issue, apparently an entire command was just setup to validate ship crews before they go on deployment (or something to that effect) because of those events.


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[Averageman]

Good points. I’m actually doing a small report on all of this stuff right now and the industrial base is a huge concern. Same with the training issue, apparently an entire command was just setup to validate ship crews before they go on deployment (or something to that effect) because of those events.

I joined the Army in 1981, that testing was a regular part of our daily lives along with annual MOS testing, Individual skills testing and the continual threat of some folks from Corps walking in unannounced and auditing training, equipment status and property accountability. You were actually required to have your individual skills booklet in your pocket at all times to track your training.
I guess a lot of things have went to the wayside in order to make the Military a little easier for people to serve in, but it's kind of hard to justify that to a corpse isn't it?