Mass shooting in New Zealand

[docsherm]

Just from a lay person perspective: I think people we call “crazy” are actually belong in four categories—

1) Crazy, truly. Disassociated from reality, psychotic, hallucinates, hears voices, incapable of rational processes. Don’t know if any mass killers in this category because it generally takes long term planning and prep to pull off.

2) Crazy temporarily, from choosing to ingest mind altering substances. Otherwise not crazy just stupid.

3) Sociopath. They do not recognize societal norms or self guilt and therefore 96% of us cannot imagine why these people do what they do. The can go from playing with their kids, driving off to abduct and torture someone, and coming home with pizza for the family. Totally rational and sometimes very successful, but they play by their own rules have have no capacity to feel empathy or guilt. Anything that makes them feel good is justified. Ted Buddy? BTK? Vegas shooter?

4) Evil bastards. Totally rational individuals who know right from wrong and glory in choosing wrong and make others suffer. Charles Manson?

This NZ killer is not crazy. He is probably a violent sociopath or just chose to be evil for its own sake. I don’t know if he is smart enough to do that.

Did I miss a type of crazy?

There is the psychopath that just doesn't have empathy or sympathy.


There are two separate schools of thought on the psychopath vs sociopath and what separates them. But that debate is most assuredly not for here.

[VARIABLE9]

It shows the two attacks and where his camera cut off. But where his camera cut off was also where he attacked. So either that was a three attacks or that was the second attack and the map is wrong.

Hopefully that makes sense

It does now that I looked more closely at the map. I didn’t realize it said ‘attack 1’ and ‘attack 2’. Thanks for pointing that out.

[JoshNC]

Just from a lay person perspective: I think people we call “crazy” are actually belong in four categories—

1) Crazy, truly. Disassociated from reality, psychotic, hallucinates, hears voices, incapable of rational processes. Don’t know if any mass killers in this category because it generally takes long term planning and prep to pull off.

2) Crazy temporarily, from choosing to ingest mind altering substances. Otherwise not crazy just stupid.

3) Sociopath. They do not recognize societal norms or self guilt and therefore 96% of us cannot imagine why these people do what they do. The can go from playing with their kids, driving off to abduct and torture someone, and coming home with pizza for the family. Totally rational and sometimes very successful, but they play by their own rules have have no capacity to feel empathy or guilt. Anything that makes them feel good is justified. Ted Buddy? BTK? Vegas shooter?

4) Evil bastards. Totally rational individuals who know right from wrong and glory in choosing wrong and make others suffer. Charles Manson?

This NZ killer is not crazy. He is probably a violent sociopath or just chose to be evil for its own sake. I don’t know if he is smart enough to do that.

Did I miss a type of crazy?

In the first category are the schizophrenic dude who shot people in Chapel Hill, James Holmes the Aurora, CO movie theater shooter, and Adam Lanza.

I think many of these mass shooters and serial killers likely have antisocial personality disorder (previously known as sociopaths). Holmes and Lanza likely also had schizophrenia or at very least schizotypal personality disorder.

[WillBrink]

There is the psychopath that just doesn't have empathy or sympathy.


There are two separate schools of thought on the psychopath vs sociopath and what separates them. But that debate is most assuredly not for here.

I useful read:

"...there are some general similarities as well as differences between these two personality types. Both sociopaths and psychopaths have a pervasive pattern of disregard for the safety and rights of others. Deceit and manipulation are central features to both types of personality. Contrary to popular belief, a psychopath or sociopath is not necessarily violent."

https://psychcentral.com/blog/differ...-vs-sociopath/

[JoshNC]

I useful read:

"...there are some general similarities as well as differences between these two personality types. Both sociopaths and psychopaths have a pervasive pattern of disregard for the safety and rights of others. Deceit and manipulation are central features to both types of personality. Contrary to popular belief, a psychopath or sociopath is not necessarily violent."

https://psychcentral.com/blog/differ...-vs-sociopath/

Interesting. However, psychiatry and psychology don’t recognize sociopath and psychopath as diagnoses. As the author of that article points out, antisocial personality disorder is really what covers both of those lay terms. It’s interesting that he goes into such a detailed analysis of two completely lay terms. I think the tendency of the DSM is to avoid the inherent negative labels of sociopath and psychopath, but it seems time to add some categories to APD.

We as a society need to identify the risky people in our midst, not label inanimate objects (ie firearns) in the hands of the law-abiding as the risk.

Here’s an interesting article I found. It’s refreshing in that it doesn’t call for gun control.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/who-do...gers-syndrome/

[NWPilgrim]

Josh, that is exactly why I tried to point out that an abnormal psychology is not necessarily “mentally ill.” And these antisocial types are sometimes the most violent because they can be so cunning, knowing very well how to play off other persons’ weaknesses and trust.

I read that it is estimated that 4% of the population is sociopathic. Pretty much any group of 20+ you are in likely has at least one sociopath. Yet most of us have be freaking clue how to recognize them or deal with them. And our laws totally overlook this personality type as a motivation or reason they will never be rehabbed.

A great read in layman terms is “The Sociopath Nextdoor”. Fantastic advise, works very well. Once you accept this is just how some people are wired you can swiftly protect yourself and family from the chaos and carnage they enjoy leaving in their wake. One of the traits is something like: enjoys instigating conflict that embroil others and then sit back and enjoy the confusion and damage. Kind of sounds like this NZ killer

[Firefly]

There aren’t nearly as many “crazy” people out there as one might think.

Just mean spirited people or folks with chips on their shoulders who feel slighted and act rashly.

I think I have only seen one really crazy person but they didn’t act crazy. They were just in their own little world like a 3 year old. As in like a literal 3 year old. But overall quite harmless.

But I have seen my fair share of monsters who were clear-minded and deliberate or people who were otherwise cognizant but disturbed emotionally.

Please get this Jack the Ripper, Hannibal Lecter, Heath Ledger Joker crap outta your minds.

It doesn’t work that way even if there are schizotypal elements to their behavior

[SteyrAUG]

There aren’t nearly as many “crazy” people out there as one might think.

Just mean spirited people or folks with chips on their shoulders who feel slighted and act rashly.

I think I have only seen one really crazy person but they didn’t act crazy. They were just in their own little world like a 3 year old. As in like a literal 3 year old. But overall quite harmless.

But I have seen my fair share of monsters who were clear-minded and deliberate or people who were otherwise cognizant but disturbed emotionally.

Please get this Jack the Ripper, Hannibal Lecter, Heath Ledger Joker crap outta your minds.

It doesn’t work that way even if there are schizotypal elements to their behavior

But there does seem to be a surplus of truly DGAF individuals who are willing to press anything and everything to a fatal conclusion if they believe they have been slighted in any way.

[prdubi]

Living in crowded Europe, it amuses me that not many have done it.

I have a samurai attitude to everything.

Trust me...I've been Arocked a dozen times here in Hungary.

And I dgaf...

Karma is never coma.

But I don't have this feelings to hurt anyone.

But I can get why people smoke here drink here ..or do drugs and crap in the states.

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[Outlander Systems]

I’ll just leave this here:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/10...ised-at-mosque