Mass shooting in New Zealand

[Whiskey_Bravo]

I'll be here in 6 weeks, cant say I am looking forward to the flight, even in business. That is a long time in the air.

[Arik]

And it might have worked had he, you know, not spelled it all out in a manifesto. As is, he's made himself a walking advertisement for the 2A. I will be interested in how he obtained the gun on an island with strict gun control. He's proven the exact opposite his goals. When nuts want to get firearms, and kill people by various means, they will find a way. As always, it's a damn shame people had to die to prove it and there was no one there able to put up any resistance.

2A 1, violent scumbag nuts, still at zero.

Unfortunately those pushing for gun control aren't going to look at this they way you are. Simply let's ban this before it happens here


Background check, mental health check, interview and reason.

[docsherm]

What kinda of guns? What about usual stuff, ammo, CCW, difficulty of permit, etc

A place I have always wanted to visit, but I don't do 20+ hour flights.

Not much and there is a huge paper trail. It is Wikipedia but it is the best summery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand

[WillBrink]

Unfortunately those pushing for gun control aren't going to look at this they way you are. Simply let's ban this before it happens here


Background check, mental health check, interview and reason.

That's a given and goes without saying as no amount of logic, data, or history can fix stupid. But, that his psychosis made sure he had to tell the world all about the voices in his head, is far better than Vegas, where the POS apparently left nothing.

[sundance435]

Most LEO there do not have weapons so I assume they had to wait for an armed response team to be put together.

Yes, their police, like the UK, are generally unarmed (not the case in Australia) and Christchurch is not a big city, so it's not surprising that it took armed police a while to get there. They even had a prohibition in place for bodyguards carrying their own firearms to protect VIPs, leaving it to the police only. They've had to amend that for summits that occur there.

What kinda of guns? What about usual stuff, ammo, CCW, difficulty of permit, etc

A place I have always wanted to visit, but I don't do 20+ hour flights.

There are a few Kiwis over on Gunboards who have discussed NZ gun laws. My understanding of it: CCW and handguns are unobtanium. Police issue firearms owner permits after background check, psych check, etc., which can take a few months. Semiauto "assault" rifles aren't common and you need a permit to even fire most firearms, which is truly bizarre. Full auto is easier to obtain than here, but you basically can't legally fire them - again, truly bizarre. They do have some kind of mag restriction, but ammo is relatively easy to obtain. Also, no right to self defense and any use of a firearm in self defense is almost guaranteed to result in charges.

[Firefly]

per NZ gun laws, I subscribe to Doc Watson. He is a Kiwi shooter and has a lot of interesting bolt guns, an AUG, and a Dragunov

I wanna visit NZ one day. Bucket list.

[WillBrink]

There are a few Kiwis over on Gunboards who have discussed NZ gun laws. My understanding of it: CCW and handguns are unobtanium. Police issue firearms owner permits after background check, psych check, etc., which can take a few months. Semiauto "assault" rifles aren't common and you need a permit to even fire most firearms, which is truly bizarre. Full auto is easier to obtain than here, but you basically can't legally fire them - again, truly bizarre. They do have some kind of mag restriction, but ammo is relatively easy to obtain. Also, no right to self defense and any use of a firearm in self defense is almost guaranteed to result in charges.

It will be most interesting then to see how he obtained those weapons. I truly hope it's correct that the next target he went to put up a fight and thwarted another kill house event.

[Firefly]

I'll be here in 6 weeks, cant say I am looking forward to the flight, even in business. That is a long time in the air.

Sleeping pills brah

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

On one hand “thoughts and prayers” is kind of a hollow gesture. Even if you mean it, it really isn’t much comfort at the time

On the other, blaming the NRA for gun violence in another country (or even this one) is akin to blaming the NAACP for black criminality.

Like blaming the NAACP for Boku Haram in Africa....

Thoughts and prayers- but what else are you supposed to do for people literally on the other side of the planet?

Did the guy act alone? I thought there was more than one shooter?

[Five_Point_Five_Six]

I watched the entire video the guy was definitely merciless. I'm so desensitized to this kind of stuff I didn't even flinch honestly. I wanna know where the police where, he had all damn day and was completely unopposed.

All day? The entire video of the first attack is 17 minutes, and at least half that is him driving before and after. That's plus or minus 8 minutes for him to go in twice and shoot up the place. There are a lot of places where an 8 minute response time by LEO is next to impossible unless they're close by.