Are the Red Flag laws going to be people’s line in the sand?

**SomeOtherGuy** · 03-27-19, 15:40

Originally Posted by Doc Safari

When the line in the sand is crossed then the balloon goes up.

Meanwhile, John's mustache grows longer. Ever longer...

**Doc Safari** · 03-27-19, 15:40

Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

Meanwhile, John's mustache grows longer. Ever longer...

And I should point out that the balloon going up has nothing to do with the shoulder thing that goes up.

**Firefly** · 03-27-19, 15:49

Originally Posted by Doc Safari

And I should point out that the balloon going up has nothing to do with the shoulder thing that goes up.

Is it really? Are you sure? Why you always a hypeman on all this.

Trust me, the dude(s) who make valiant last stands against guys in bearcats with confiscation orders will not be heralded as heroes anymore than McVeigh or David Koresh.

Most people will find their resistance to have been pointless or morally wrong.

The short man syndrome of gun owners turns more people off than on.

The point is to stop selling these vague “F the man” woof tickets that we already know most won’t live up to and go back to that point where gun ownership and enjoyment was normal.

You WANT more people saying “I’m a Democrat but guns are cool and fun let’s keep those”

This Arfcom style beardo lone wolf incel rhetoric is not making any friends.

Do you think the hot brown girls lay up under the tub faucet with their legs spread fantasizing about some dude giving lectures on the Constitution or a guy who will take them on adventures, teach them something “dangerous”, and be fun to be around.

Because I won’t lie a lot of you seem kinda square.
Take that constructively though

**Doc Safari** · 03-27-19, 15:53

Originally Posted by Firefly

Is it really? Are you sure? Why you always a hypeman on all this.

Trust me, the dude(s) who make valiant last stands against guys in bearcats with confiscation orders will not be heralded as heroes anymore than McVeigh or David Koresh.

Most people will find their resistance to have been pointless or morally wrong.

The short man syndrome of gun owners turns more people off than on.

The point is to stop selling these vague “F the man” woof tickets that we already know most won’t live up to and go back to that point where gun ownership and enjoyment was normal.

You WANT more people saying “I’m a Democrat but guns are cool and fun let’s keep those”

This Arfcom style beardo lone wolf incel rhetoric is not making any friends.

Do you think the hot brown girls lay up under the tub faucet with their legs spread fantasizing about some dude giving lectures on the Constitution or a guy who will take them on adventures, teach them something “dangerous”, and be fun to be around.

Because I won’t lie a lot of you seem kinda square.
Take that constructively though

Square is the new black. Or FDE. Or whatever.

**Firefly** · 03-27-19, 15:57

Originally Posted by Doc Safari

Square is the new black. Or FDE. Or whatever.

That probably sounded wittier in your head there, Huey Lewis.

**Doc Safari** · 03-27-19, 15:57

Originally Posted by Firefly

That probably sounded wittier in your head there, Huey Lewis.

It's all I could think of quickly.

**SomeOtherGuy** · 03-27-19, 16:00

Originally Posted by ramairthree

Now, the abuse of this is usually some spiteful, civil, etc. route.

We now have a version that will without any shred of doubt be politicized. It will also have another step where someone’s firearms have been seized. Some states have seriously left people out to dry legally in violation of FOPA and they maybe never got their guns back.

This red flag law stuff is not going to be pretty.

Yes, it will be abused 99% of the time. Entirely predictable. But the people pushing for it may be surprised by who ultimately pushes the abuse and how. These laws will be abused by the same people who flooded New Zealand's online gun turn-in form with phased plasma rifles in the 40w range. It really wouldn't take much of that abuse, and unending "raids" - quickly changing to the equivalent of security alarm checks - for the law to become practically useless. Won't take long before it cuts into legitimate reporting of unhinged people in more rural and/or conservative areas; family members will later say "oh, he was depressed and spouted off, but I didn't think he was serious, and if I told anyone his guns would be taken and make him more depressed (and cut into my inheritance / welcome at family reunions)."

After 1-3 years most police departments will look at these laws as toxic, damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situations, and will try to talk people out of filing the reports that trigger them, and enforce them in a very measured fashion, not wanting to actually get shot or prompt calls of brutality, etc., and well aware that so many of the allegations are false or highly biased. The usual suspect states may enforce these like stormtrooper wannabees, but in 40-45 states and in the rural areas of even the other 5-10 it will be more limited and rational, tempered by actual common sense that remains a thing.

Meanwhile a series of court challenges on due process will be made. Due process is already terrible on commitment anyway, and this will add another issue and more interested litigants. Can't predict where it will end up, but it will be litigated heavily.

That's my prediction. It takes us another quarter mile down the road to illegitimate government and without-rule-of-law society, but in a fashion more like modern Brazil and Mexico, not Mad Max.

**jpmuscle** · 03-27-19, 16:01

Originally Posted by Firefly

Is it really? Are you sure? Why you always a hypeman on all this.

Trust me, the dude(s) who make valiant last stands against guys in bearcats with confiscation orders will not be heralded as heroes anymore than McVeigh or David Koresh.

Most people will find their resistance to have been pointless or morally wrong.

The short man syndrome of gun owners turns more people off than on.

The point is to stop selling these vague “F the man” woof tickets that we already know most won’t live up to and go back to that point where gun ownership and enjoyment was normal.

You WANT more people saying “I’m a Democrat but guns are cool and fun let’s keep those”

This Arfcom style beardo lone wolf incel rhetoric is not making any friends.

Do you think the hot brown girls lay up under the tub faucet with their legs spread fantasizing about some dude giving lectures on the Constitution or a guy who will take them on adventures, teach them something “dangerous”, and be fun to be around.

Because I won’t lie a lot of you seem kinda square.
Take that constructively though

A true wordsmith as always

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