Are the Red Flag laws going to be people’s line in the sand?

[MountainRaven]

Is it really? Are you sure? Why you always a hypeman on all this.

Trust me, the dude(s) who make valiant last stands against guys in bearcats with confiscation orders will not be heralded as heroes anymore than McVeigh or David Koresh.

Most people will find their resistance to have been pointless or morally wrong.

The short man syndrome of gun owners turns more people off than on.

The point is to stop selling these vague “F the man” woof tickets that we already know most won’t live up to and go back to that point where gun ownership and enjoyment was normal.

You WANT more people saying “I’m a Democrat but guns are cool and fun let’s keep those”

This Arfcom style beardo lone wolf incel rhetoric is not making any friends.

Do you think the hot brown girls lay up under the tub faucet with their legs spread fantasizing about some dude giving lectures on the Constitution or a guy who will take them on adventures, teach them something “dangerous”, and be fun to be around.

Because I won’t lie a lot of you seem kinda square.
Take that constructively though

I mean...

We know the Russians pay people to keep people focused on things other than Russia.

We know the Chinese pay people to say positive things about China and the Chinese government and throw shade on people who say otherwise.

We know private companies pay people to make positive reviews, and to post those reviews on third party apparently independent websites.

We know people all around the world visit these forums - some of them from on-again, off-again frenemies (like Russia and China) and some of them will inevitably be Antifa types and alt-right types.

Would it really be surprising if there were people on this forum whose job it is to make our side as unappetizing to the curious as possible? Not merely by posting nasty things about people who like guns, but by actively posting on forums like this, in a parody of what they might think a white nationalist (or whatever) might be like. Or by simply miming what some already existing members post.

Remember this is the internet: Where men are men, women are men, and children are the FBI.

[Hmac]

I agree, but the point is with that the times we have had the government step on our dicks, someone would have done something.

How many laws have been passed which are blatant infringements, on both state and federal levels, with no consequences? None.

People DO do something...they campaign, they donate to candidates, campaigns, and PACS, they wear MAGA hats, and they vote. What else do you propose?

[26 Inf]

People DO do something...they campaign, they donate to candidates, campaigns, and PACS, they wear MAGA hats, and they vote. What else do you propose?

I'm feeling like the Pappy Boyington, alone in the sky with seventeen Zeroes rolling in on him, but I propose:

1) eliminating PACS and corporate donations;
2) further limiting individual donations to $1,000 per cycle;
3) reinstate McCain-Feingold as it deals with soft money and advocacy campaign ads.

For starts.

[jpmuscle]

Honestly the red flag stuff is a bit overblown.

Facilitating the temporary containment of potentially dangerous persons in and of itself isn’t the problem. The issue is the virtually universal lack of associated due process rights and mechanisms that should accompany it that also prioritize restoration of said rights and properties after the fact.

In my experience generally the folks who get screwed are the ones who seek out voluntary help and are subsequently punished for it.


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[Alex V]

People DO do something...they campaign, they donate to candidates, campaigns, and PACS, they wear MAGA hats, and they vote. What else do you propose?

If we are talking about "lines in the sand" we are past the point of the soap box, ballot box and jury box. We are onto the ammo box.

[Hmac]

If we are talking about "lines in the sand" we are past the point of the soap box, ballot box and jury box. We are onto the ammo box.

No. You know that's not going to happen. Right? You know that there are no "lines in the sand"?


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[Hmac]

I'm feeling like the Pappy Boyington, alone in the sky with seventeen Zeroes rolling in on him, but I propose:

1) eliminating PACS and corporate donations;
2) further limiting individual donations to $1,000 per cycle;
3) reinstate McCain-Feingold as it deals with soft money and advocacy campaign ads.

For starts.

Yes, I think those are good ideas. How are you going to accomplish them?

Right now, people avail themselves of the tools that are available them in order to make an impact on the political process. Get rid of those particular tools....people just use different tools.

I was responding to the assertion that the government has infringed on us (we believe, in our opinion) and no one has done anything about it. My point is...they have. They've done a lot. With some degree of success. But, if we're actually talking about armed insurrection...well, that's just silly.


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[Jsp10477]

Is it really? Are you sure? Why you always a hypeman on all this.

It’s an issue he worries about. You’re a cop, we already know where you stand. You’ll likely enforce unjust laws.

Trust me, the dude(s) who make valiant last stands against guys in bearcats with confiscation orders will not be heralded as heroes anymore than McVeigh or David Koresh.

At least they died for what they believe in. Dying to defend constitutional rights is patriotic. Hopefully some enforcing the unjust confiscation orders die. Denying rights without due process, even temporarily, is tyranny.

Most people will find their resistance to have been pointless or morally wrong.

People who wouldn’t die for their beliefs....

The short man syndrome of gun owners turns more people off than on.

Painting with a broad brush. You’re a gun owner. Do you suffer from the syndrome?

The point is to stop selling these vague “F the man” woof tickets that we already know most won’t live up to and go back to that point where gun ownership and enjoyment was normal.

“F the man” is a good thing when “The Man” is infringing upon unalienable rights.

You WANT more people saying “I’m a Democrat but guns are cool and fun let’s keep those”

I know a lot of democrat gun owners. They’re usually pretty chill.

This Arfcom style beardo lone wolf incel rhetoric is not making any friends.

I read his posts and get that he’s waiting for gun owners as a whole to stand up and “F the Man” as a whole. I don’t get lone wolf.

Do you think the hot brown girls lay up under the tub faucet with their legs spread fantasizing about some dude giving lectures on the Constitution or a guy who will take them on adventures, teach them something “dangerous”, and be fun to be around.

Who gives a shit about girls who have to lay under a running faucet to get off? Not everyone is into brown girls. The constitution embodies freedom. True freedom is dangerous.

Because I won’t lie a lot of you seem kinda square.
Take that constructively though

Not everyone thinks you’re cool.

Take this constructively.

Tried highlighting my responses..

[Firefly]

Take this constructively.

Tried highlighting my responses..

My only response to the sewage I read in this thread.

[Alex V]

No. You know that's not going to happen. Right? You know that there are no "lines in the sand"?


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I've said it earlier in this thread that there is no line in the sand. If there is one now, it will be redrawn when it is crossed over and over. What I was saying is that if there was a true line in the sand, voting and suing isn't going to prevent the government from crossing is.