Boeing 737 crashes.

[C-grunt]

This is insane. One of the automated systems can malfunction and crash the plane and apparently Boeing never trained the pilots on the system.

https://interestingengineering.com/p..._content=Mar27

[Firefly]

He waited his whole damn life just to take that flight and when the plane went down he thought “HOLY SHIIITTT WERE GONNA DIE!!”

[arptsprt]

But I thought he said, “well isn’t this nice...? And isn’t it ironic, don’t you think...?

He waited his whole damn life just to take that flight and when the plane went down he thought “HOLY SHIIITTT WERE GONNA DIE!!”

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[Firefly]

But I thought he said, “well isn’t this nice...? And isn’t it ironic, don’t you think...?






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Yeah, I really do think

[Todd.K]

I heard a pilot explain that the emergency procedure is the same as it was before this was added. Basically said if the trim is doing something you don't want, you turn it off and fly the plane yourself.

[AKDoug]

I heard a pilot explain that the emergency procedure is the same as it was before this was added. Basically said if the trim is doing something you don't want, you turn it off and fly the plane yourself.

I have a couple friends that are 737 pilots and they basically said the same thing. HOWEVER, another key point in this is that an angle of attack indicator is an "option" on the new Max's and neither of the jets that crash had them. 40 seconds is an eternity in the cockpit. https://arstechnica.com/information-...-as-an-option/

[sundance435]

I have a couple friends that are 737 pilots and they basically said the same thing. HOWEVER, another key point in this is that an angle of attack indicator is an "option" on the new Max's and neither of the jets that crash had them. 40 seconds is an eternity in the cockpit. https://arstechnica.com/information-...-as-an-option/

I thought it had something to do with an extra sensor - not an AoA indicator. Most planes would have an AoA indicator. Regardless, there was something that most, if not all, of the US/North American planes had as an option that neither of the 2 crashed planes had.

[Renegade]

This is insane. One of the automated systems can malfunction and crash the plane and apparently Boeing never trained the pilots on the system.

Dont think this is correct as a friend is a 737Max pilot and says he is fully trained and none of these "revelations" is news to him.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

In order to fully shut down the MCAS function that was pushing the plane into a nosedive, the pilots would have to flip the switch at their thumb, then flip two more switches elsewhere that would shut down the power to the motor the MCAS used to push the nose down. Then, the pilot would then need to turn a crank to fix any remaining problems caused by the system before they would have control of the aircraft again.

The MCAS isn't in the manual. This also isn't a run away trim- it was intermittent.

Who in the living hell of stupid engineering would wire this thing to one sensor? That guy needs to be dropped out of a 737 at 12,000 and told to learn to fly.

People can defend Boeing all you want on this, but that is 100% fail, like criminal fail. The plane would have been safer WITH OUT THE SAFETY SYSTEM. How in the living hell could you blame pilots, who were never told about the system- it ain't in the manual- that this Dues Ex Machina safety device could also doom the plane.

About as logical as having a Guillotine as a seatbelt cutter in a car in case there is an accident and you are trapped.

[Renegade]

The MCAS isn't in the manual. This also isn't a run away trim- it was intermittent.

Who in the living hell of stupid engineering would wire this thing to one sensor? That guy needs to be dropped out of a 737 at 12,000 and told to learn to fly.

People can defend Boeing all you want on this, but that is 100% fail, like criminal fail. The plane would have been safer WITH OUT THE SAFETY SYSTEM. How in the living hell could you blame pilots, who were never told about the system- it ain't in the manual- that this Dues Ex Machina safety device could also doom the plane.

According to the 737Max pilot I know, this is not true. He speculates that some carriers, especially foreign, did not re-train 737 pilots for the 737Max.

Agreed though, the second sensor optional is stupid. His planes have both sensors.