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    Windham retro

    If interested, seems like a fair price for a retro type. Yeah, it's not a Colt, BCM, etc. Certain it will provide reliable service. Didn't see info on Windham's site

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    Hmm looks to be an A2 profile barrel though, which is a bit lazy on Windham's part (Although still a better effort than Stag's "Retro" offering) Although if you were to stick some A2 handguards on that you'd have a decent approximation of a Colt RO715.

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    Windham Weaponry's new "Retro" model

    ...Although it seems a mishmash of A1/A2 features. Maybe they'll have a "Gen 2" that will be closer to original A1 specs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slater View Post
    ...Although it seems a mishmash of A1/A2 features. Maybe they'll have a "Gen 2" that will be closer to original A1 specs?

    https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperst....cfm/ID/216843
    I was going to start a thread on this, and for the same reasons. Windham came so close with the concept, but struck out where it counts. The barrel needed to be lightweight, not A2/ GOV. The stock being A2 length is another failure, but honestly that is something I could have lived with and swapped out if I wanted later on. However, the barrel kills it, and not because of the modern twist rate, but because of the profile.

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    I mentioned this in the Retro forum, where someone else had posted a link to this, but with a swap out to some A2 handguards, you could at least have a serviceable RO715/C7 clone. (Because I'm assuming the upper is going to have a brass deflector too, I just used a Windham C7 style upper for my 733 clone and didn't see an actual "A1" upper on their site).
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    In my experience, Windham makes a quality AR. But anyone wanting a rifle that is much closer to the original A1 configuration would be better served with the Brownell's Retro model. And if you hit one of their sales (as I did) it's even cheaper than the (projected) Windham version.

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    A VietNam era buddy asked me about this; the heavy barrel issue is what I mentioned to him. Hadn't realized it was an A2 stock (tho' this guy is big enough it wouldn't matter), and I swapped an A1 on an A2 CHPS carbine for the same reason. How is Brownells doing with their retros? Haven't looked lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Circle_10 View Post
    I mentioned this in the Retro forum, where someone else had posted a link to this, but with a swap out to some A2 handguards, you could at least have a serviceable RO715/C7 clone. (Because I'm assuming the upper is going to have a brass deflector too, I just used a Windham C7 style upper for my 733 clone and didn't see an actual "A1" upper on their site).
    This would be the best use of that configuration. The upper they use is a C7 type. With everything being A2 related other than the handguards, pistol grip, and the slip ring, throwing on a set of A2 handguards and an A2 pistol grip would be perfect. Of course, the slip ring would be wrong for a true RO715/C7 clone, but it would be much closer to that than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade04 View Post
    This would be the best use of that configuration. The upper they use is a C7 type. With everything being A2 related other than the handguards, pistol grip, and the slip ring, throwing on a set of A2 handguards and an A2 pistol grip would be perfect. Of course, the slip ring would be wrong for a true RO715/C7 clone, but it would be much closer to that than anything else.
    Ah, in getting distracted by the A2 barrel I didn't even notice the slip ring. I'm actually somewhat surprised Windham bothered with that considering the other pretty glaring incorrect aspects.
    If you wanted a 715/C7, I guess worst case scenario you could pull the barrel and put a Delta Ring on there.

    Of course it's possible that this is just a placeholder photo and the actual production version might be a bit more A1 correct.

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    The money the company saved by not using a 625 FSB, and staying with their existing 750 shows their lack of market understanding.
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    They have recently started offering pencil profile carbine barrel assemblies on their site, so they apparently have .625 FSBs. So there's really no reason not to incorporate those into their "retro" offering. Hopefully they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slater View Post
    I have to say that I'm mildly surprised by the popularity of retro rifles these days. I'll be 59 in June, and I wonder if a majority of the buyers are in my age range and are nostalgic about these older models?
    I’m a relatively young Soldier and the first rifle I was issued was a M16a4. I was not around for the A1, so for me it is not simply nostalgia. For me, the appeal of the retro guns is that they handle so nicely. The M16a2/4 feels unwieldy by comparison with the longer stock and heavier barrel. I also prefer the A1 sights and triangle handguard. The first time I picked one up, I was like “Wow; this is what the M16 was meant to be. How did we stray so far from this?” It was as if the A1 was the more “improved” model, not the A2. Learning about the history is interesting, as well.
    Last edited by 1168; 04-13-19 at 14:49. Reason: Clarity

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