Officer pulls firearm, instead of taser

[jsbhike]

Insurance lobbyists. If it doesn't make sense...follow the money.

As far as the guy goes, he was trying to beat down an officer for getting pulled over for a simple seat belt ticket. He made the bed...sleep in it sucka.

So exactly like firearms laws and enforcement of the same.

[ramairthree]

Nobody is saving seatbelts are not of benefit.

The concept is that it should not be a primary law worthy of a stop, or a toll for a fishing trip.

And as for this,
“You take the ball out of my hands when you reach your home before I can make that determination. If you have a tail light out and I'm not to the point I'm satisfied you are not impaired, I'm probably going to make contact in your drive way. Why be such an asshole? Because I know that impaired drivers are responsible for over 25% of the traffic fatalities each year. “

Dammit man, if 75% percent of accidents are caused by unimpaired drivers, you should focus your efforts on getting them off the road and it would save three times as many lives.

[Hmac]

Seatbelts save lives. Period. As a subspecialty surgeon who handles facial trauma as part of my day job, I see this first hand. I take call at a level 1 trauma center and can say unequivocally that the patients I see who come to the ED after an MVC fare much better when wearing a seatbelt. Think rollover MVC....restrained people typically suffer relatively minor injuries, while unrestrained are typically completely F’d - like subdural or subarachnoid bleed, devastating facial and skull base fractures, long bone fractures, etc. F’d for life.

Yes, yes...seat belts save lives. Nobody disagrees with the wisdom of wearing seatbelts. The question is whether or not any governmental authority has the right to require people wear seatbelts (or motorcycle helmets, for that matter). At issue is the question of infringing on an individual's personal freedom to do stupid shit, vs. the government's self-presumed obligation to decrease the financial and societal burden imposed by the consequences of the stupid shit that those people do.

If the latter...where does it stop? Obesity in America imposes a financial and societal burden that is vastly greater than that of not wearing seatbelts. If the government has the right to force us to wear seatbelts, do they have the right to force us to exercise and eat healthy? If they catch you in a Dunkin' Donuts, should they then be able to write you a ticket? Seeing you in a McDonalds would be a valid reason for them to run you for wants and warrants, search your person and your cell phone, detain you while they wait for a dog to show up and give you a good sniff?


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[26 Inf]

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[26 Inf]

Dammit man, if 75% percent of accidents are caused by unimpaired drivers, you should focus your efforts on getting them off the road and it would save three times as many lives.

'IF' I was in charge there would be fewer licenses issued. And Averageman and jsbhike would be pissing and moaning about having to wear a seat belt on the bus.

[jsbhike]

'IF' I was in charge there would be fewer licenses issued. And Averageman and jsbhike would be pissing and moaning about having to wear a seat belt on the bus.

Then we could move on to people's diet or some other issue as probable cause to go on fishing trips I guess.

[26 Inf]

Yes, yes...seat belts save lives. Nobody disagrees with the wisdom of wearing seatbelts. The question is whether or not any governmental authority has the right to require people wear seatbelts (or motorcycle helmets, for that matter). At issue is the question of infringing on an individual's personal freedom to do stupid shit, vs. the government's self-presumed obligation to decrease the financial and societal burden imposed by the consequences of the stupid shit that those people do.

So back in the days before government, were people required/encouraged not to do stupid things for the good of the tribe?

As far as wearing seat belts, I don't believe you have to wear them on private property. Roadways are pretty much government/public property.

If the latter...where does it stop? Obesity in America imposes a financial and societal burden that is vastly greater than that of not wearing seatbelts. If the government has the right to force us to wear seatbelts, do they have the right to force us to exercise and eat healthy? If they catch you in a Dunkin' Donuts, should they then be able to write you a ticket? Seeing you in a McDonalds would be a valid reason for them to run you for wants and warrants, search your person and your cell phone, detain you while they wait for a dog to show up and give you a good sniff?
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Going a little into a hyperbolic state here, aren't we? How does someone's obesity impact another person's safety or health? (Notwithstanding job requirements.)

We can take these thoughts and examples way down the rabbit hole and we are far from the initial subject of this thread.

[jsbhike]

Going a little into a hyperbolic state here, aren't we? How does someone's obesity impact another person's safety or health? (Notwithstanding job requirements.)

We can take these thoughts and examples way down the rabbit hole and we are far from the initial subject of this thread.

How does someone busting their head open on asphalt sans helmet or getting launched in to the dash/windshield affect someone else's safety or health short of the person/corpse sliding in to them? Probably ranks lower than increased risk of someone morbidly obese falling on someone, considering a key part of the scene is the already wrecked motorcycle/car sliding along near the person/corpse.

The claimed link on both is the public having to foot the medical care costs for the vehicle operator and those with poor eating habits. Few want to address the real issue that the public shouldn't be on the hook for that in the first place. So instead we have the progression of seat belt laws in the one area coupled with attempts to ban Oreos and Bloombergs big drink ban in another.

The initial subject was about someone getting pissed and fighting over a seat belt ticket. Can't recall the author, but their analogy to this kind of thing was similar to a 4 year old lording it over a 2 year old. Guaranteed to cause a fight more often than not. A difference in these cases is no adult is going to come around and come down hard on the 4 year old (not limited to the officers on scene but the whole system that put them there) so instead of knocking off the behavior it keeps building.

[Jsp10477]

If all of the bull sh!t stops are to find drunk drivers, why aren’t restaurant, bar, and night club parking lots full of cops giving free breathalyzer tests? Ya know, protect and serve...

That wouldn’t fund the system though.

https://www.atlantaga.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=1420

Tag light requirement = base fine and processing $107

[Averageman]

'IF' I was in charge there would be fewer licenses issued. And Averageman and jsbhike would be pissing and moaning about having to wear a seat belt on the bus.

LOL. I bet if you could you would, so what does that say about you?