Officer pulls firearm, instead of taser

[jsbhike]

Comparing a routine traffic stop on a public roadway to armed intrusion into a private residence to confiscate firearms is a bit of a stretch.

Unfortunately not really. The slogans will all be the same for sure.

The officers are just doing their jobs, doing this for the public safety, no respect for lawful authority, if they don't like it then fight it in court instead of fighting the officers, exigent circumstances apply, established law, the supreme Court said it was Constitutional, and similar.

[jsbhike]

Seatbelts save lives. Period. As a subspecialty surgeon who handles facial trauma as part of my day job, I see this first hand. I take call at a level 1 trauma center and can say unequivocally that the patients I see who come to the ED after an MVC fare much better when wearing a seatbelt. Think rollover MVC....restrained people typically suffer relatively minor injuries, while unrestrained are typically completely F’d - like subdural or subarachnoid bleed, devastating facial and skull base fractures, long bone fractures, etc. F’d for life.

All well and good, but the same applies to eating wholesome foods versus junk.

Many of the devotees of that are showing the indicators of similar good idea fairies where they aren't content with saying xyz is better for you and leaving it at that and want advance their suggestion in to the legal area.

[Vandal]

If you don't want to wear a seatbelt, cool but don't get pissy when you get stopped for it. You know the rules and risks to the game. Frankly, I don't care if you wear it or not and I rarely make seat belt violation stops. Should you crash and become crippled for life or a vegetable it becomes society's problem as your insurance likely won't cover your long term care beyond a certain point. Tax dollars and things like medicare take over and you become a burden on society. I still vividly remember the first and second fatal crashes I worked. First was a car into a tree at high speed because they missed the corner. No seatbelts, both killed on impact. I won't forget the screaming from their parents who showed up on scene. The ME said had they been wearing belts they would have lived with minor injuries. The second was a 21 year old male, DUI, no seatbelt worn. Rolled his truck into someone's backyard and was partially ejected out the driver's side window. His head was laying there like it was attached with a string or two with no structural support and he was bleeding from the nose and ears. He "lived" for a few more weeks in the hospital before his parents decided to pull the plug. The choice is yours though. I do wear one in my patrol car though, they absolutely save lives.

I had a post typed up about using traffic to be pro-active and actively hunting criminals, but unless you have worked as a cop where you have the time to do more than answer call to call you won't get it. Ole boy in the video chose poorly and dated to flex-up over a minor violation. The stark reality is that hammer fists from behind to the back of the skull is lethal force. Homie got shot for his efforts. She shouldn't have gone for her Taser in the first place. She ended up being right, in spite of screwing it up. Some people are just lucky. My Taser is carried weak side and I have yet to actually deploy the probes. I'd rather go hands on or use my 26" wooden baton. I've seen some cops with gun and Taser on the same side, gun on belt and Taser on a loose, floppy thigh rig right below the gun. That is a f^cking recipe for disaster, but they don't work for my PD.

[jsbhike]

If you don't want to wear a seatbelt, cool but don't get pissy when you get stopped for it. You know the rules and risks to the game. Frankly, I don't care if you wear it or not and I rarely make seat belt violation stops. Should you crash and become crippled for life or a vegetable it becomes society's problem as your insurance likely won't cover your long term care beyond a certain point. Tax dollars and things like medicare take over and you become a burden on society. I still vividly remember the first and second fatal crashes I worked. First was a car into a tree at high speed because they missed the corner. No seatbelts, both killed on impact. I won't forget the screaming from their parents who showed up on scene. The ME said had they been wearing belts they would have lived with minor injuries. The second was a 21 year old male, DUI, no seatbelt worn. Rolled his truck into someone's backyard and was partially ejected out the driver's side window. His head was laying there like it was attached with a string or two with no structural support and he was bleeding from the nose and ears. He "lived" for a few more weeks in the hospital before his parents decided to pull the plug. The choice is yours though. I do wear one in my patrol car though, they absolutely save lives.

I had a post typed up about using traffic to be pro-active and actively hunting criminals, but unless you have worked as a cop where you have the time to do more than answer call to call you won't get it. Ole boy in the video chose poorly and dated to flex-up over a minor violation. The stark reality is that hammer fists from behind to the back of the skull is lethal force. Homie got shot for his efforts. She shouldn't have gone for her Taser in the first place. She ended up being right, in spite of screwing it up. Some people are just lucky. My Taser is carried weak side and I have yet to actually deploy the probes. I'd rather go hands on or use my 26" wooden baton. I've seen some cops with gun and Taser on the same side, gun on belt and Taser on a loose, floppy thigh rig right below the gun. That is a f^cking recipe for disaster, but they don't work for my PD.

It's similar to anti-self defense laws. Enforcement against violators happens, but no sanctions for the backers of the scheme when one of the disarmed becomes a victim.

And how did tax dollars/Medicaid enter in to the mix? I don't recall seeing Medicaid or similar mentioned in the Constitution.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

States got jerked out of that, or at least should have, in the 1860's (I would hope enough died for that l) so where does Medicaid come from exactly?

[Vandal]

I watched the video a few more times, the first officer had almost no control over the scene. When the driver tried to drive away, back up should have been called for and dude should have been removed from the vehicle. The driver's behavior is what directly lead to his getting shot. Yeah, the female officer ****ed up but she ended up being right. Hammer fists to the back of the head are easily lethal force. She probably could have gone hands on with LVNR and solved the problem in 3-5 seconds, cuff him while he is unconscious but I wasn't there and am just watching a dash-cam. Unfortunately, she strikes me to be like most female city cops. Smaller, less aggressive and more dependent on the tools on her belt. The badass female cop who can hold her own and fight is very rare. She didn't engage in the fight. She resigned and hopefully never tries to enter the profession again.

The driver, for those who actually watched the video and didn't just get bent about a seatbelt stop, telegraphed his intentions several times which should have elevated the lead officer's response from passive to more aggressive. There are a lot of great vehicle extraction techniques for those who want to learn them. The lead cop wasted a lot of time talking with dude, trying to de-escalate someone who didn't want to calm down. He should have acted swiftly and with aggression.

On to medicare/medicaid, that is who pays out for you to be a veggie in the hospital/hospice/at home care after your crash without a seatbelt or helmet and your private insurance stops paying out. Like I said, I don't really care if you want to drive around without a seatbelt or ride without a helmet. I do care when preventable injuries sustained from a possible crash mean that the people's taxes are being used to care for you after your poor decision making. Medicare isn't in the Constitution. If you're such a Constitutional guy, don't sign up for it when you hit that age and self-fund your private insurance. Better not make use of Social Security, that's not in the Constitution either.

[Firefly]

Chiming in to say that tasers are more humane than good old fashioned country ass whippings which some people need

[jsbhike]

I watched the video a few more times, the first officer had almost no control over the scene. When the driver tried to drive away, back up should have been called for and dude should have been removed from the vehicle. The driver's behavior is what directly lead to his getting shot. Yeah, the female officer ****ed up but she ended up being right. Hammer fists to the back of the head are easily lethal force. She probably could have gone hands on with LVNR and solved the problem in 3-5 seconds, cuff him while he is unconscious but I wasn't there and am just watching a dash-cam. Unfortunately, she strikes me to be like most female city cops. Smaller, less aggressive and more dependent on the tools on her belt. The badass female cop who can hold her own and fight is very rare. She didn't engage in the fight. She resigned and hopefully never tries to enter the profession again.

The driver, for those who actually watched the video and didn't just get bent about a seatbelt stop, telegraphed his intentions several times which should have elevated the lead officer's response from passive to more aggressive. There are a lot of great vehicle extraction techniques for those who want to learn them. The lead cop wasted a lot of time talking with dude, trying to de-escalate someone who didn't want to calm down. He should have acted swiftly and with aggression.

On to medicare/medicaid, that is who pays out for you to be a veggie in the hospital/hospice/at home care after your crash without a seatbelt or helmet and your private insurance stops paying out. Like I said, I don't really care if you want to drive around without a seatbelt or ride without a helmet. I do care when preventable injuries sustained from a possible crash mean that the people's taxes are being used to care for you after your poor decision making. Medicare isn't in the Constitution. If you're such a Constitutional guy, don't sign up for it when you hit that age and self-fund your private insurance. Better not make use of Social Security, that's not in the Constitution either.

So you agree it isn't in the Constitution and suggest not using it? How does one avoid paying in to it without an outcome similar to the traffic stop video exactly?

Always been interesting how things in the Constitution, ranging from limits on .gov to individual rights, don't get nearly the amount of enforcement zeal as do things that aren't specifically listed as a .gov function.

[eightmillimeter]

So freedom be damned because by God you know better and you will ticket me for my own safety. Or maybe to impress your Boss about my safety and in the meantime generate enough revenues to justify your wages.
As I have stated before in this this thread, the motorcycle passes you without a seat belt or a helmet, all the laws of physics still apply and yet laws of physics be damned that SOB is legal.
Your arguments aren't supporting my desire to support Law Enforcement.
BTFW I hope you don't need my or "Our" help anytime soon, but Keep on Trucking Baby.
That kind of attitude certainly lets me know who will be on my doorstep when guns are outlawed.

Yeah but, freedom, .... you just made my point.

The motorcycle argument is irrelevant.

For the record, I don’t care about tickets and have never been told to go out generate revenue, not that it matters anyway because I don’t have any time when I have a constant case load of crashes. So to make a silly comment like you hope I don’t need YOUR help, I hope you feel better about yourself and support whoever you wish.

[jsbhike]

Not seeing how the motorcycle helmet is irrelevant. Helmets and seat belts are invariably portrayed in the same light and mandatory helmet laws were once the norm.

Also haven't figured out how a driver can haul 3 unbelted people around in a car and it be indicative of imminent death and destruction, but the bus in the next lane with 90 unbelted passengers is safe as the front row at church.

[Adrenaline_6]

Not seeing how the motorcycle helmet is irrelevant. Helmets and seat belts are invariably portrayed in the same light and mandatory helmet laws were once the norm.

Also haven't figured out how a driver can haul 3 unbelted people around in a car and it be indicative of imminent death and destruction, but the bus in the next lane with 90 unbelted passengers is safe as the front row at church.

Insurance lobbyists. If it doesn't make sense...follow the money.

As far as the guy goes, he was trying to beat down an officer for getting pulled over for a simple seat belt ticket. He made the bed...sleep in it sucka.