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Thread: HK Offers 416 .22 Pistol but No 5.56 Pistol

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    I would steer clear of anything Adams Arms right now as they are up for auction...

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    Oh no. A sale of collateral definitely isn't a good thing. Perhaps there's too much competition in the AR15 category. The company appears to still be running. Perhaps they're hoping that someone will buy it and keep the doors open. It will be interesting to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Not really. And the Umarex is not a HK 416 chambered in .22, it's an airsoft 416 with a .22 barrel and HK logo and promotion. Same with all the others. You really aren't missing anything, check out the Umarex Colt M4 in .22 LR and you will see what I mean.[/QUOT

    SteyrAug, I don't have any interest in Umarex .22's, airsoft video arms, etc. I agree with you; some of my friends own Colt Umarex .22's, and they run well. I am simply surprised that the only alternative to a 16.5 inch HK MR556 A 1 is a .22 HK 416 clone.

    The MR556 is a quality 5.56 rifle that has an accurate, heavy 16.5 inch barrel, a trigger that is not appropriate for a quality accurate hammer forged barrel, and a firing pin safety designed to address slamfires on a selective fire weapon. That is about it. For the money, it lacks all the great features available on a Radian Lower Receiver. On the other hand, I think the HK 416 C used by police and military special operation teams possesses a desirable combination of reliability, accuracy, weight, and handiness.

    It is my understanding that HK offers centerfire semi-auto versions of the HK 416 (that would be more appealing) to German civilians; this is not the case?
    Unless things have really changed, no they can't. If you saw the semi auto G3s that Germans were allowed to buy you'd laugh at them just like we laughed at the SL8.

    The other problem is HK is a "state owned" arms factory that has export restrictions, that along with our import restrictions found in the 1968 Gun Control Act (specifically the sporter clause) and the 1989 Bush Import Ban (pretty much all of it) means we get some really stupid firearms when it comes to rifles.

    HK can get away with selling a semi auto MP5k as a pistol (even though the original SP89 is still banned from import) but HK has a lot of problems with rifles going out the door that aren't for "sporting applications" which is why the SR556 is stupid and annoying to those of us who simply wanted a 1:1 semi auto version of the 416. But we also wanted a 1:1 semi auto G36, UMP and a few others while we are at it.

    In the greatest irony of all, we might have purchased the MSG90, which would have been importable as a precision rifle, except those shitheads at HK designed it with a swing down trigger group thus qualifying the receiver as a machine gun. Might have also bought more PSG1s if they weren't considered "too deadly for civie use" and sold for less than $5,000 when they were available for retail purchase.

    Even MKE was smart enough to send us a few 43P handguns so we could SBR a factory contract 33k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    The other problem is HK is a "state owned" arms factory that has export restrictions, that along with our import restrictions found in the 1968 Gun Control Act (specifically the sporter clause) and the 1989 Bush Import Ban (pretty much all of it) means we get some really stupid firearms when it comes to rifles.
    You wanna talk stupid? Between those I can't import an AR endplate--a simple steel stamping--from Canada. How retarded is that? (I need to remember to look up the smith who built Larry Vickers's C8SFW and see if he can help me out with the specialty parts...) Anyway, I've toyed with the idea of trying to clone a Bundeswehr-issue HK416 myself, but right now it looks like Brownells parts and roll-your-own is about the only viable option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    The other problem is HK is a "state owned" arms factory that has export restrictions, that along with our import restrictions found in the 1968 Gun Control Act (specifically the sporter clause) and the 1989 Bush Import Ban (pretty much all of it) means we get some really stupid firearms when it comes to rifles.

    HK can get away with selling a semi auto MP5k as a pistol (even though the original SP89 is still banned from import) but HK has a lot of problems with rifles going out the door that aren't for "sporting applications" which is why the SR556 is stupid and annoying to those of us who simply wanted a 1:1 semi auto version of the 416. But we also wanted a 1:1 semi auto G36, UMP and a few others while we are at it.

    In the greatest irony of all, we might have purchased the MSG90, which would have been importable as a precision rifle, except those shitheads at HK designed it with a swing down trigger group thus qualifying the receiver as a machine gun. Might have also bought more PSG1s if they weren't considered "too deadly for civie use" and sold for less than $5,000 when they were available for retail purchase.

    Even MKE was smart enough to send us a few 43P handguns so we could SBR a factory contract 33k.
    Worth remembering that H&K also wanted to import SP5 pistols - full size MP5 pistols - and while the ATF would allow it, Germany's government won't. IIRC, there's a maximum barrel length in Germany for pistols and the SP5 doesn't fit in that box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainRaven View Post
    Worth remembering that H&K also wanted to import SP5 pistols - full size MP5 pistols - and while the ATF would allow it, Germany's government won't. IIRC, there's a maximum barrel length in Germany for pistols and the SP5 doesn't fit in that box.
    Seems to me that if HK were serious about it, they could open up US facilities to make the barrel here, ship a no-barrel SP5 parts set and marry to an HK USA-made barrel... just for one example. But they won't, "Becauss You Suck Und Ve Hate You..."
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    For anyone interested Marvin Pitts is working on doing a run of 416 spec chrome lined barrels.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Seems to me that if HK were serious about it, they could open up US facilities to make the barrel here, ship a no-barrel SP5 parts set and marry to an HK USA-made barrel... just for one example. But they won't, "Becauss You Suck Und Ve Hate You..."
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    You assume the German government would let them ship a no-barrel SP5 parts kit over here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Seems to me that if HK were serious about it, they could open up US facilities to make the barrel here, ship a no-barrel SP5 parts set and marry to an HK USA-made barrel... just for one example. But they won't, "Becauss You Suck Und Ve Hate You..."
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    German export laws are not the same as US import laws.

    HK would have to build the entire thing in house and probably the main reason they don't is because the US government has threatened LE and military contracts if they did.

    For every person that hates HK, I guarantee you that if they owned the company, they wouldn't make jack shit for the US given all the legal hoops we hold up for them.

    We pretty much banned everything they made from import in 1989 and then HK produced the HK 911, SR9, SR9T, the SR9TC and the US simply added them to the ban list. Then HK finally came up with firearms that were virtually ban proof, the USC and SL8 and US buyers scoffed at them because they were neutered crap.

    I'm amazed HK tries to do anything with the US market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainRaven View Post
    You assume the German government would let them ship a no-barrel SP5 parts kit over here.
    I was admittedly oversimplifying, but it seems to me that the basic principle about on-shoring as much as necessary to end-run the '89 ban, opening a plant and making all the 922R parts here--essentially, the only thing German left about it being the engineering and the ownership--should have been an effective end-run. Besides, you'd think Feral Gov would love the idea of more of its (our) money staying in America and creating American jobs in American factories...

    Oh, that's right, this shit comes from geniuses like Hank "All Dose Planes Gonna Make Guam Tip Over" Johnson and Sheila "Will The Mars Rover Be Able To See The Astronauts' Flag?" Jackson Lee, the kinds who if policymakers were selected on competence couldn't get a job cleaning the Congressional TOILETS.

    Then again, I *am* a bit of an oddball... the more roadblocks you put in front of me the more determined I get to ram it so far up your ass it knocks out teeth just to spite you, and if I were running HK I'd be looking for similar end-runs--even if it meant granting Brownells a sub-license and designating certain US vendors as having "Acceptable Compliance Parts," call it "HK416 by Brownells" with the only difference between that and the BRN416's today being the official HK name and licensing.
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