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Thread: HK Offers 416 .22 Pistol but No 5.56 Pistol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    I was admittedly oversimplifying, but it seems to me that the basic principle about on-shoring as much as necessary to end-run the '89 ban, opening a plant and making all the 922R parts here--essentially, the only thing German left about it being the engineering and the ownership--should have been an effective end-run. Besides, you'd think Feral Gov would love the idea of more of its (our) money staying in America and creating American jobs in American factories...

    Oh, that's right, this shit comes from geniuses like Hank "All Dose Planes Gonna Make Guam Tip Over" Johnson and Sheila "Will The Mars Rover Be Able To See The Astronauts' Flag?" Jackson Lee, the kinds who if policymakers were selected on competence couldn't get a job cleaning the Congressional TOILETS.

    Then again, I *am* a bit of an oddball... the more roadblocks you put in front of me the more determined I get to ram it so far up your ass it knocks out teeth just to spite you, and if I were running HK I'd be looking for similar end-runs--even if it meant granting Brownells a sub-license and designating certain US vendors as having "Acceptable Compliance Parts," call it "HK416 by Brownells" with the only difference between that and the BRN416's today being the official HK name and licensing.
    Again, HK is state owned so they cannot think like a private business.

    But even if the Hanz and Franz actually wanted to set up shop in the US to bypass all the 89 import laws and 922r silliness, you need to remember HK is trying to phase out all roller lock firearms and has been attempting to do so for almost 20 years.

    When HK discontinued the G3 and 33 series they planned on making a final run of MP5s, MP5-Ns and MP5SDs for the military crowd and then calling it quits and having everyone start buying UMPs. The developed new generation MP5/40s and MP5/10s and decided that wasn't going to be the future. They even made the UMP9 so people would stop crying about the possibility of the MP5 being discontinued.

    The only reason they are still being produced at all is because just about the entire LE community told them to go F themselves and keep making MP5s. But there is no reason they are going to set up a contract facility to crank them out in the US and they certainly aren't interested in semi auto versions for the civie market because they want to move on to what comes next.

    Even though pretty much everyone has shown little or no interest in the MP7, HK is far more interested in producing it than continued production of the MP5. They know the military has moved away except in very limited roles with very small segments of the military. And they are seeing US law enforcement move to the M4 from the MP5 for very similar reasons except for small numbers of specialized units.

    I don't even think German laws would allow HK to relocate the tooling from Germany to the US to make semi auto versions of the MP5.

    Now a US company could buy a license from HK just like FMP, MKE and POF did and get set up with a MP5 factory, but I can't think of any company that would invest the money that would be necessary to do that. I know Mexico has a contract, if those clowns would just start making semi auto HK MP5s, G3s and 33s, they could have a thriving economy right in their own country. They could literally knock MKE and POF out of the game.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreyman View Post
    However, if the barrel length is reduced to 10.4 inches (like the HK 416 C), the weight is dramatically reduced and the result is stunning. It becomes a great suppressor host; it handles so much better; and it is one of the hottest numbers on the beach.
    It gets lighter, but it doesn't become a good suppressor host.

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    The mr223a3 is a 416A5 with all the proper specs re: barrel (hammer forged chrome lined) , gas block, lower but the rear takedown pin position is slightly different from a standard AR/416, therefore it is not a weapon of war because the upper and lower are incompatible with those of the 416. The Germans, Swiss, some other Europeans, and Canadians can get the mr223a3 with 11”, 14”, and 16” barrels.

    https://www.heckler-koch.com/en/prod.../overview.html

    The non-US shooting enthusiasts do get a better mr series than we do.
    Last edited by JoshNC; 04-13-19 at 14:55.
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    Thanks for info fellas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshNC View Post
    The mr223a3 is a 416A5 with all the proper specs [...] but the rear takedown pin position is slightly different from a standard AR/416,
    Actually since MR223A1 (2011) German Federal Criminal Police (BKA) allowed HK for upper/lower compatibility with standard HK416/AR15/M4/M16 upper/lower.

    MR223A3 differences vs HK416A5 are:
    - S/A trigger (with F/A hammer)
    - S/A bolt carrier
    - barrel extension tab that prevents drop-in replacing MR223 S/A bolt carrier with HK416 F/A bolt carrier
    - barrel thread M15x1
    - heavier profile behind gas block (25mm vs 22mm) and match grade barrel (but chrome lined)
    - 2 pin, non-adjustable (pre-A5) gas block (but can be replaced with adjustable, for eg. Norway type)
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    Quote Originally Posted by montrala View Post
    Actually since MR223A1 (2011) German Federal Criminal Police (BKA) allowed HK for upper/lower compatibility with standard HK416/AR15/M4/M16 upper/lower.

    MR223A3 differences vs HK416A5 are:
    - S/A trigger (with F/A hammer)
    - S/A bolt carrier
    - barrel extension tab that prevents drop-in replacing MR223 S/A bolt carrier with HK416 F/A bolt carrier
    - barrel thread M15x1
    - heavier profile behind gas block (25mm vs 22mm) and match grade barrel (but chrome lined)
    - 2 pin, non-adjustable (pre-A5) gas block (but can be replaced with adjustable, for eg. Norway type)
    Thanks for update. I hope we will see some more alternatives to MR 556 A 1 here. With HK USA facility, I would expect some flexibility. With Marine contracts, HK
    will definitely gain exposure.

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