Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
老僧三十年前未參禪時、見山是山、見水是水、及至後夾親見知識、有箇入處、見山不是山、見水不是水、而今得箇體歇處、依然見山秪是山、見水秪是水。
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And there lies the problem. People are no longer willing to do the work to find information, they just want it handed to them on a silver platter. Nor do I think reading "banter" is entirely pointless, good information is usually hashed out through discussion and debate. Just last night I went back through several multi-page old threads about the LMT E-carrier because I forgot exactly how it works.
As a new-ish guy and a desk-dweller, I think this would be a really cool read. Get more into the theory and process of "how and why," not just "you're not serious if you're not running a 6920 with X, Y and Z add-ons."
Or maybe merge the new thread with the existing and suggest "read the entire thread then come back with any questions you still have"?
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>YOU IDIOTS! I WROTE 1984 AS A WARNING, NOT A HOW-TO MANUAL!--Orwell's ghost
Psalms 109:8, 43:1
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I think it's hard to be new shooting now days. I remember when I first started shooting rifles and taking a class with Pat Rogers and him explaining the staying in your lane theory. Find a place you like where you can learn like M4C or Lightfighter and shut up and only comment about things you know about. In the beginning you don't know anything so you read and you take classes and practice.
I think a lot of new users are impatient, dont understand staying in your lane, and when they ask a stupid question they fight back instead of taking the lesson. We probably need to do a better job of explaining why things are the way they are.
What were are left with is a bunch of new shooters that get most of their information off instagram and facebook. Have you been in a facebook gun group. Holy crap are there some clueless people. I mean some of that info is going to get people killed.
I know it hurts but IMO we need to help new users out and understand that they are in a knowledge desert and lead them along. I think some of that is giving props to others on the board that know what they are talking about and explaining why. I also think some of it is in explaining use cases - if you only pull you AR from under your bed once a year to to shoot 100 rounds with your friends then a PSA rifle may work for you. If you use a gun for a living, your going to need a higher standard. I know it gets redundant but that info helps a lot in getting new shooters to grow. We want them to learn how to shoot and to take classes. Its good for the forum, the industry, and the country.
We do merge threads.
Editing and pruning threads is a lot of work. And the juice needs to be worth the squeeze.
If someone has a thread they want to be reopened, they can always ask. But, however, comma, the vast reason threads get locked here is because of conspicuous motarditry. A mod can hand out infractions, or just simply close a thread. You know how many active mods we have here, right? So a lot of times, it's just simpler to close a thread, let temper's cool, then consider reopening it.
And there are a fair number of phone calls and text messages that happen. We actually do converse about things that happen here, and not just smite trolls.
Although I must admit, banning trolls and scammers makes my Grinch heart grow three sizes......
As a former mod elsewhere (I used to be the Research Director for the historical-data section of a wargaming-miniatures forum), I totally get you--both on the long hours of thankless hard work, and on the satisfaction of every now and again stomping some loser troll into a puddle of goo. (And trust me, you haven't seen stupid and obnoxious until you've seen Gamer Trolls, like the kind who whine about "overpowered USN carrier air cheese" just because a correctly historically-built Task Force 58 delivers a no less historically-correct curbstomping against all comers and "it's not FAIR that Germany doesn't get to have effective aircraft carriers!" Yeah, well take it up with your beloved Funny-Mustache F---face, Kraut Fanboy...)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>YOU IDIOTS! I WROTE 1984 AS A WARNING, NOT A HOW-TO MANUAL!--Orwell's ghost
Psalms 109:8, 43:1
LIFE MEMBER - NRA & SAF; FPC MEMBER Not employed or sponsored by any manufacturer, distributor or retailer.
I'm glad you mentioned Doc Roberts. I learned the vast majority of my knowledge of terminal ballistics from his posts, and opinions on the matter. He shared Fackler's opinions, and results too IIrc. I can't think of two more qualified SMEs on that topic than those two. Moreover, the ammo loaded in the guns, and mags are based on his recommendations.
Mark made some great points, but I follow your strategy for exactly why you said. Not only do you learn lots more about the subject your searching for, from a wider range of authors, you gain peripheral information many times congruent to your subject matter.
I'm not really sure what the answer is for this question that is facing tech forums. I've read similar threads on other tech forums I visit that are totally unrelated to guns. Almost across the board I've found with the forums I visit, the general discussion sub forums are the only thing left thriving of the overall larger forum, and serve as catch all forums for all threads...tech/non tech.
To me it's devastating....it's hard to express how helpful a good tech forum with experts that populate it are. A common sense man with a good tech forum can do a lot of stuff.
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