Low posting quality

[Dr. Bullseye]

There are is shit being posted today in 2019 that Ive never seen even in the mid 2000's post sunset ban era when ARs started becoming a thing. For example, are you telling me people today, with the wonders of the internet, someone doesnt know where to buy gas rings.

Im happy to answer newbie questions because everyone was a newbie at one point. But if you make a thread asking a question that you didnt even take the effort to put into a Google search before hand, you have no place in making that thread.

Theres a huge difference between "Which gas rings should I buy?" vs "So I looked on the internet and heard about one piece rings, are one piece rings better than regular gas rings, what makes gas rings quality? Is there a specific metal they use?

And then make a follow up post of how "I think my gas rings are too tight?" Did you even shoot the ****ing gun first? Why are we accepting this post quality?

Maybe this person is one of those millennial snow flakes that cant do anything for themselves like figure out how to buy gas rings.

I may be new to ARs, new to this forum, and new to shooting but I am not your doormat. I did google rings and I mentioned that. I wanted the best advice on the best rings from guys who knew this subject---that is why I posted that thread and why I am here on this forum. I certainly did not want to shoot the rifle if the rings were wrong. Would you just shoot if you were worried about incorrectly installed rings? I don't recall you confronting me directly in either one of those threads. Why not? Look vicious cb, yes, I am sometimes a real pain in the ass, you can always ban me.

This whole issue is crystal clear to me. As someone said, paraphrasing, "only top end ARs are worth talking about". And presumably only top end AR guys should talk. If there are people that feel that way maybe they should make a private forum within this forum so they don't have to be bothered by people like me.

Here is another issue touched upon. I am not a tier one operator. In fact I am not a tier two, three or ten operator. I was never in the military and never wanted to be in the military. I am interested in learning from military guys and their experience but I am not interested in imitation of them. My interest is self-defense and SHTF. This means sometimes military equipment or understanding does not apply. I am never going to carry plates, 50 pound packs, communications equipment, night vision equipment and so on.

I am 71 years old. So I take your:

"Maybe this person is one of those millennial snow flakes that cant do anything for themselves like figure out how to buy gas rings."

as a real insult.

[themonk]

I may be new to ARs, new to this forum, and new to shooting but I am not your doormat. I did google rings and I mentioned that. I wanted the best advice on the best rings from guys who knew this subject---that is why I posted that thread and why I am here on this forum. I certainly did not want to shoot the rifle if the rings were wrong. Would you just shoot if you were worried about incorrectly installed rings? I don't recall you confronting me directly in either one of those threads. Why not? Look vicious cb, yes, I am sometimes a real pain in the ass, you can always ban me.

This whole issue is crystal clear to me. As someone said, paraphrasing, "only top end ARs are worth talking about". And presumably only top end AR guys should talk. If there are people that feel that way maybe they should make a private forum within this forum so they don't have to be bothered by people like me.

Here is another issue touched upon. I am not a tier one operator. In fact I am not a tier two, three or ten operator. I was never in the military and never wanted to be in the military. I am interested in learning from military guys and their experience but I am not interested in imitation of them. My interest is self-defense and SHTF. This means sometimes military equipment or understanding does not apply. I am never going to carry plates, 50 pound packs, communications equipment, night vision equipment and so on.

I am 71 years old. So I take your:

"Maybe this person is one of those millennial snow flakes that cant do anything for themselves like figure out how to buy gas rings."

as a real insult.

Easy tiger. It was a timely example. People were just venting, I don't think it was meant as an insult.

[Wake27]

Being military, but not at all tiered, I don’t know that I’ve ever gotten the sense here that that sort of resume is required for useful input.

On GD - it has its pros and cons. I will say that sometimes it’s nice to be able to talk about politics or something when you don’t have people around you that are interested in doing so. On that point though, either everyone agrees so it’s boring and really not constructive or because it’s the internet, some guys are tough, some don’t pick up sarcasm, etc etc and there is lots of butthurt. Pros and cons. But shouldn’t be the basis of this forum. Honestly I always use the new posts tab and rarely even look at what section it’s in.

Finally, the photo thread with reasons etc, that’s exactly what the custom build forum is for. Granted it’s not all consolidated, but that is the driving purpose behind that entire sub forum. People just screw that up quite often.


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[Waylander]

I've seen a trend in men 40-60 thinking everything on the internet is so serious and acting like babies. I get that it's sometimes hard to interpret sarcasm but grow a pair. That's no excuse for people being childish DBs and thread crapping, though. Nor an excuse for millennial snowflakes stirring up crap.

This thread is an example of grown ass men getting all offended over good natured ribbing thinking it's all directed at them. Or the 10k+ post narcissist thinking it's all about them.

It's not just this forum. It's other forums, the internet, social media, the public, traffic, waiting in line at Walmart, even gun shops. It's everywhere.

[Ryno12]

Although I must admit, banning trolls and scammers makes my Grinch heart grow three sizes......

Looks like you’ve been busy with Nigerian scammers.

[MWAG19919]

One thing that bothers me is when people bitch about necro posting. A guy could post a legitimate question in a thread that originated in May 2010 and continued for several pages until October 2011, and within one or two posts someone is asking a mod to close the thread. My thinking is if you don't want the notification just unsubscribe.

But that same member would be told to "use the search function" if he started a new thread. It's a damned if you do damned if you don't type of thing.

[vicious_cb]

I may be new to ARs, new to this forum, and new to shooting but I am not your doormat. I did google rings and I mentioned that. I wanted the best advice on the best rings from guys who knew this subject---that is why I posted that thread and why I am here on this forum. I certainly did not want to shoot the rifle if the rings were wrong. Would you just shoot if you were worried about incorrectly installed rings? I don't recall you confronting me directly in either one of those threads. Why not? Look vicious cb, yes, I am sometimes a real pain in the ass, you can always ban me.

This whole issue is crystal clear to me. As someone said, paraphrasing, "only top end ARs are worth talking about". And presumably only top end AR guys should talk. If there are people that feel that way maybe they should make a private forum within this forum so they don't have to be bothered by people like me.

Here is another issue touched upon. I am not a tier one operator. In fact I am not a tier two, three or ten operator. I was never in the military and never wanted to be in the military. I am interested in learning from military guys and their experience but I am not interested in imitation of them. My interest is self-defense and SHTF. This means sometimes military equipment or understanding does not apply. I am never going to carry plates, 50 pound packs, communications equipment, night vision equipment and so on.

I am 71 years old. So I take your:

"Maybe this person is one of those millennial snow flakes that cant do anything for themselves like figure out how to buy gas rings."

as a real insult.

Not trying in insult you as stated above there yours just happened to be the thread on page 1 like that. It could have easily been anything like "Which gas tube should I buy"

Again this isnt about you in particular, this is a larger issue for the forum, all technical forums or maybe even the whole internet for all I know.

Notice how a majority of the posters including me one the first page actually answered your question, albeit with some levity and humor. The correct information is there, if you cant get past the humor we inject into answering the same types of questions over and over to keep us sane then thats your problem.

The real issue is the same type of question will come up again because people not wanting to search for information themselves. I dont want this place to end up like TOS, where more than 50% of the page 1 threads are just picture threads and the other half are just rehashes of things that have been talked about 1000 times over. Oh look just popped into TOS AR general to see whats going on, what do I see? A "Running steel case" ammo thread. Its not like punching that question into google will yield everything from youtube videos to hundreds of links to articles and forum threads or anything. But let me guess, people are too ****ing lazy to read or watch to get that information.

Imagine when I wanted to find some information I would go to library and go through drawers of index cards just to find a book that might have the semblance of information I was looking for. I would think a 71 yo would appreciate that.

[grizzlyblake]

One thing that bothers me is when people bitch about necro posting. A guy could post a legitimate question in a thread that originated in May 2010 and continued for several pages until October 2011, and within one or two posts someone is asking a mod to close the thread. My thinking is if you don't want the notification just unsubscribe.

But that same member would be told to "use the search function" if he started a new thread. It's a damned if you do damned if you don't type of thing.

Yeah I've seen it here. Bumping a very old thread asking for more detail gets closed due to being so old, and a fresh thread gets roasted for not using the search function.

I actually don't mind new threads about the same stuff because things change, new products come to market, etc.

I use Google to search m4c for topics pretty regularly and I generally gloss over any threads from 2014 and older because let's face it, that's 5 year old information. Things have come a long way in that time so even a ten page thread on what I'm looking for probably isn't totally up to date info. I'm not going to bump that old thread either and get the "Thread is five years old, if OP hasn't figured it out by now... blah, blah" responses and inevitable closing of the thread.

There are only so many possible topics about AR rifles, and pretty much everything has been covered at some point. If people don't want to rehash stuff every now and then with the latest intel the forum may as well be shut down and made a reference-only wiki type site.

[Diamondback]

Yeah I've seen it here. Bumping a very old thread asking for more detail gets closed due to being so old, and a fresh thread gets roasted for not using the search function.

I actually don't mind new threads about the same stuff because things change, new products come to market, etc.

I use Google to search m4c for topics pretty regularly and I generally gloss over any threads from 2014 and older because let's face it, that's 5 year old information. Things have come a long way in that time so even a ten page thread on what I'm looking for probably isn't totally up to date info. I'm not going to bump that old thread either and get the "Thread is five years old, if OP hasn't figured it out by now... blah, blah" responses and inevitable closing of the thread.

There are only so many possible topics about AR rifles, and pretty much everything has been covered at some point. If people don't want to rehash stuff every now and then with the latest intel the forum may as well be shut down and made a reference-only wiki type site.

That leads me to a suggestion, if a mod or maybe some volunteer members had time and patience to do the analytics: maybe sort out some of the most frequently asked N00b Questions and stick them in a "Read This First: FAQ" sticky at the top of each subforum? I'm neither mod nor SME, but while I couldn't do all or even half of it by myself I'd be willing to contribute labor to a Team Effort building such resources.

[NWPilgrim]

I like the Wiki idea, in part. There has been a ton of great info posted here over the years. It would be incredibly valuable to have that consolidated and organized. Then it could be used as reference. New discussions could lead to additions or updates. Be like the M4C Book of Knowledge, to borrow a term from a project mgmt group.

One of my areas of interest is load development and I learned it would save me time to take notes on key info from some excellent threads. I learned a lot from SkyPup, Euro, MarkM and Pappabear. Their best loads have usually been within +/- .2 gr of what ends up being my best loads. Likely because they shoot a lot in multiple rifles and if it worked for them it will be pretty close for anyone else. M4C has been the best source for 5.56 load info on the internet, very high signal quality. My one page of summary points along with comparison to my data was gleaned from hundreds of posting pages. It would save new guys a lot of time and discussion that’s to be able to find the high points in the Wiki with links back to the source threads.

That is mucho work to do though and would take SMEs to determine what is worthwhile to Wiki or not.

GD is useful to allow informal discussion among otherwise technical matters. Like going to the gun club to shoot and discuss rifles and load workups, scopes etc, but running into friends and chatting about personal or worldly matters as well. It would be nice to have a button for “New Technical Posts” or to be able to see new posts with GD filtered out.