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    Quote Originally Posted by Esq. View Post
    I can think of MAYBE one or two weapons that create the kind of absolute raw and primal fear that flamethrowers do though. The idea of being burned alive is pretty overwhelming....
    Why not throw Molotovs instead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainRaven View Post
    The trouble with flamethrowers is that they only have to throw themselves at you to light you on fire.

    Generally an individual or small group with firearms can hold a building against a rioting mob indefinitely - indefinitely until that mob starts the building on fire, anyway. So I'm not sure that bringing the fire yourself is a brilliant idea - unless you're with the mob.
    That IS a definite hazard... though I seem to recall the WWII M2-2 as used by Marines on the Pacific islands would spew napalm in a 300-yd line. If I see my buddies get BBQ'ed at 300, I'm gonna back off... at least long enough to go get a Barrett and put a hole in the guy's tank from safe distance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duece71 View Post
    You say “they”......being that they are reasonable and will understand consequences that will arise. I am doubtful about “they” being anything but reasonable and understanding.
    I don't expect "they" to understand anything. I'm just gonna be shooting until "they" are gone or my ammo is depleted.

    Once society crosses certain lines, it reaches a point where I am free to cross a lot of other lines.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    I don't expect "they" to understand anything. I'm just gonna be shooting until "they" are gone or my ammo is depleted.

    Once society crosses certain lines, it reaches a point where I am free to cross a lot of other lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    That IS a definite hazard... though I seem to recall the WWII M2-2 as used by Marines on the Pacific islands would spew napalm in a 300-yd line. If I see my buddies get BBQ'ed at 300, I'm gonna back off... at least long enough to go get a Barrett and put a hole in the guy's tank from safe distance.
    By memory, no one has a backpack flamethrower with more than a 50-60yd effective range. It just isn't practical based on weight that a person can carry and pressure they can resist (think firehose). The tank mounted ones could manage 100+ and I think some of the riverine patrol boats in Vietnam had maybe 200 yards range.

    Major militaries don't really use flamethrowers any more, there's probably a reason for that. By memory China has an incendiary rocket system that they call a flamethrower but is, in fact, rockets with incendiary warheads. I think the west was mostly gone to Raufoss type ammo for this purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy View Post
    By memory, no one has a backpack flamethrower with more than a 50-60yd effective range. It just isn't practical based on weight that a person can carry and pressure they can resist (think firehose). The tank mounted ones could manage 100+ and I think some of the riverine patrol boats in Vietnam had maybe 200 yards range.

    Major militaries don't really use flamethrowers any more, there's probably a reason for that. By memory China has an incendiary rocket system that they call a flamethrower but is, in fact, rockets with incendiary warheads. I think the west was mostly gone to Raufoss type ammo for this purpose.
    The US also developed the M202 FLASH and the Russians have the RPO-A ("Rocket-propelled Infantry Flamethrower-A") with both incendiary and thermobaric (!) rockets. The Russians, for their part, seem to be rather fond of using thermobarics (generally dropped by aircraft) to kill enemy combatants in buildings before sending infantry to clear them (or the remnants of them).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy View Post
    By memory, no one has a backpack flamethrower with more than a 50-60yd effective range. It just isn't practical based on weight that a person can carry and pressure they can resist (think firehose). The tank mounted ones could manage 100+ and I think some of the riverine patrol boats in Vietnam had maybe 200 yards range.

    Major militaries don't really use flamethrowers any more, there's probably a reason for that. By memory China has an incendiary rocket system that they call a flamethrower but is, in fact, rockets with incendiary warheads. I think the west was mostly gone to Raufoss type ammo for this purpose.
    We don't use chemical or biological weapons, cluster munitions or land mines anymore either. It's not because they aren't effective.

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    America is only finished if the gun owners of the USA don't stand in the breech.

    If American gun owners are a bunch of wimps then, the world is in trouble.

    For if the Constitution does down the toilet then the world will follow shortly thereafter.

    Have you prepared for the worse case scenario?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    America is only finished if the gun owners of the USA don't stand in the breech.

    If American gun owners are a bunch of wimps then, the world is in trouble.

    For if the Constitution does down the toilet then the world will follow shortly thereafter.

    Have you prepared for the worse case scenario?
    Politician violate the constitution all the time without consequences.
    No one is standing in the breech.

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    A rather distressing assessment of the current situation.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...anny-has-begun
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