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Thread: The Cathedral of Notre-Dame is burning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBK View Post
    I understand the historical loss and architectural appreciation for this building, but I myself cannot find any reason to care. Perhaps France is simply reaping what it has sown, and Catholicism as well for that matter? It is absolutely no kind of symbol whatsoever to me.
    Did you feel the same way when the Taliban destroyed the Buddhas of Bamyan? You don't have to be a buddhist to care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Of course there were no construction workers around when the fire was spotted, it was 1830 local time. The construction workers were long gone. Maybe that's why the fire wasn't spotted immediately. All the old woods in that church that could catch fire when some type of heated tool is left unattended. At this time it could be anything. To say that there were some nefarious reasons for the fire is as unreal as saying that God was mad. And to not feel a loss after this beautiful historic building is badly damaged is like it's no big deal if the Temple of Petra, the Great Pyramid, Osaka castles, Angkor Wat, Buckingham Palace, Washington Monoment or the US Capitol building were heavily destroyed.
    Thank you. Although to some extent I have similar feelings of "don't care" regarding the US Capitol building given the constant buttrape of the citizenry that has been associated with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBK View Post
    God doesn’t mourn the loss of this structure. It was just sticks and stones.
    I believe God mourns when His children mourn, and right now many of them are mourning this.



    Last edited by Belloc; 04-15-19 at 23:45.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex V View Post
    Got to see it in 1996, I was hoping to show it to my wife one day. I hope they rebuild it.
    Macron has already promised to do so, apparently
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainRaven View Post
    Macron has already promised to do so, apparently
    Yep, and France and it's citizens will foot most of the bill because France is the current owners of Notre Dame rather than the H.R.E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coal Dragger View Post
    Did anyone get hurt?

    If not, then not a big deal. I thought a church was the congregation not a building. Buildings can be replaced.
    You knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, low IQ, poorly educated, virtual signaling savage.

    Not everything can be replaced.

    Things can have value that transcends human life.

    Not all human life has intrinsic value.

    If some skanky ass junkies manage to break into my garage and somehow set it on fire, and die in there with nothing lost but the building, some tools, and a 2016 Jeep, insurance can replace what was lost and the lost lives are of no consequence.

    If they manage to get out, but the 1968 442 your dad bought after getting back from Nam and you were conceived in the back of when your parents got lost on the way to their honeymoon, that you learned to drive in, that you spent hours restoring with your dad before he died of cancer, that you taught your kids to drive in, were passing on to your son, and let him drive to his honeymoon with your daughter in law with- not to mention dad’s Vietnam carried Randall knife and Seiko 6105 were in there, that you jumped into Grenada with, Panama with, wore and carried in Desert Storm and Somalia,- stuff has been lost that cannot be replaced. The fact the two breaking and entering junkies did not die in this version
    simply means two more shit stains on the dirty, ball sweat soaked, unwashed underwear of life continue to thrive oxygen is not a win.

    Objects can have a cultural, historical, and societal significance of great importance. This is not a double wide church put up next to a landfill founded five years ago when five members of a church argued that handling coral snakes was not the same as handling copperheads or rattlesnakes and broke off to found their own church. This was a site of a Roman temple to Jupiter that became one of the first European Basilicas and a handful of other churches before being a marvel of gothic architecture that has survived, been damage, had restorations of several wars and revolutions.

    It is a major historical building with significant Western European significance.

    Would you act, even at the risk of your life, to prevent someone from destroying the original copies of the DOI, CUS, and BOR? And they have a fraction of the history of that building.

    And this is one of several churches that have been vandalized and burned in France this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramairthree View Post

    Not all human life has intrinsic value.
    Actually, the faith of those who for centuries gathered there and knelt in prayer holds that every human life has infinite intrinsic value. The structure itself was simply a breathtakingly beautiful celebration and monumentalization to the belief in faith of that truth, a homily in stone, if you will, preached by her every day unceasingly for more than 800 years.

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    "Do you need to be told that even such modest attainments as you boast of in the way of polite society will hardly survive the Faith to which they owe their significance?"
    T.S. Eliot, Choruses from the Rock

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    Were they still saying Mass there or was it closed, just out of interest.

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    I'm sure the new mosque will look lovely when it is built on top of the ruins.
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