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    We deal openly with the ChiComs, and we fought them to a standstill in the early 1950's. Many Americans dead as a result.

    From what I have read and heard, Vietnam is far ahead of actually being friendly towards us than the ChiComs, and our conflict with them is more fresh than the one with their northern neighbor. Also, an enemy of my enemy is my friend (like it or not) does indeed play into our foreign relations scheme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belloc View Post
    Ok. So then you are saying that one would only in vain search your home looking to find a single "made in China" label anywhere?
    There is, and I wish shit at Walmart was all "Made in the USA" but it isn't. But the big difference is I'm not saying "Yay China" or thinking people should retire there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    We deal openly with the ChiComs, and we fought them to a standstill in the early 1950's. Many Americans dead as a result.

    From what I have read and heard, Vietnam is far ahead of actually being friendly towards us than the ChiComs, and our conflict with them is more fresh than the one with their northern neighbor. Also, an enemy of my enemy is my friend (like it or not) does indeed play into our foreign relations scheme.
    A key difference is we don't need anything from Vietnam. Let their economy die from the communism they demanded. We don't need to get along because they aren't a nuclear power. We can get cheap stuff made in Bangladesh or a hundred other places. Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia can all go F themselves.

    But if they can find any Monty's that are still alive, we can pay $100 for each of them that wish to become US citizens. But other than that VN can FOAD. Let them reap it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightvisionary View Post
    Very true but a open or closed relationship with Vietnam is not going to halt or even slow the eventual complete adoption of socialism and oligarchal collectivism in what we now call the United States. The machinery moving that forward was put in place long before we sent troops to Vietnam.
    Truth.
    We have far more to be concerned about the cancer of communism/authoritarian socialism within our own country than external sources.

    However, I don’t think they should be “most favored nation” trading status either. And we shouldn’t be allowing US tech companies to transfer knowledge and tooling there either. Many, many American engineers have helped China leap ahead in technology and thereby capability and resources.
    It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! ... Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry in an address at St. John’s Church, Richmond, Virginia, on March 23, 1775.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWPilgrim View Post
    Truth.
    We have far more to be concerned about the cancer of communism/authoritarian socialism within our own country than external sources.

    However, I don’t think they should be “most favored nation” trading status either. And we shouldn’t be allowing US tech companies to transfer knowledge and tooling there either. Many, many American engineers have helped China leap ahead in technology and thereby capability and resources.
    Exact thing could be said about China and Clinton granting similar status as well as lost hard drives full of classified material. And here we are again, helping create a future potential adversary. I'd rather help boost the economy of a country that doesn't hate us, whose fathers didn't recently savage our soldiers and discard their remains like so much garbage.

    Not saying we need to turn it into a sweat shop but Singapore would be an ideal candidate for cost effective labor. They are very business friendly and do things in a cost effective way. Also Thailand is another good candidate, if we let them make a few more things for us perhaps they would be able to stop pimping their children all day long.

    I'd rather buy goods made or assembled there than Vietnam, China, Pakistan or a lot of other places.
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    According to Pew, circa 2017, Vietnam is the US's number 1 fan, with 84% of Vietnam viewing the US favorably. (Our number 2 fan is Israel at 81%. The next ones - Poland, Hungary, the Philippines, Nigeria - are in the 70s and it drops rather rapidly from there. By comparison, the people of our closest and least ironic ally in the Middle-East that isn't Israel, Jordan, hate our guts with only 15% viewing the US favorably. Most US allies' populations sit around 50-60% favorably viewing the US.)

    71% of Vietnamese think it's a good thing that US ideas and customs are spreading in Vietnam. (Japan and the Philippines tie for third at 62% each.)

    69% of Vietnamese like American ideas about democracy (Vietnam is finally not ichiban, here, taking second to South Korea's 78%).

    (Source.)

    So, yes. Those darned Vietnamese hate us and we're simply helping prop up a future enemy. A people who have spent most of the last century or more admiring the US. Who died in droves, in their country, at the hands of Americans and America's allies. Nosirree, it's we Americans who suffered the real losses. Sure, it was only a fraction of the losses they suffered, in a conflict our politicians chose and the American people (for a time) supported. We are, therefore, just and righteous for hating the Vietnamese people as a whole, while totally forgiving the American politicians, general officers, and public (only the latter of which have ever expressed any sort of remorse) for sending, supporting, and failing to properly lead the American fighting man in Vietnam. How dare those slant-eyed bastards resist the superior intellect of the white American (who the Vietnamese love and admire, except when he's trying to get them killed)!

    ETA: I forgot that 86% of Vietnamese view Americans, not just the country, but the people, favorably. That ties them with the South Korea for number one (or two, depending on how you want to do it). The Philippines are next at 85%. And Sweden at 80%. Canadians view Americans less favorably than French, Brits, Dutch, Poles, Vietnamese, Koreans, Filipinos, Japanese, Australians, Israelis, and Nigerians. Among others.

    Only 43% of Canadians view the US favorably. 58% of Canadians think the spread of US ideas and customs are bad. 55% of Canadians dislike American ideas about democracy. You should really be hating the Canadians.
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    I don't know about all of this. I have been all over that region and I truly loved the experience. We'll be vacationing to Vietnam in the next few years. I have been to many countries that some would consider anti-American values, and the people have been nothing but kind and welcoming.

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    When I was in Cuba last year, I realized that countries that are seemingly against America need one thing....lots and lots of America. They need our media, our products, and our dollars. That CHANGES countries fundamentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag View Post
    When I was in Cuba last year, I realized that countries that are seemingly against America need one thing....lots and lots of America. They need our media, our products, and our dollars. That CHANGES countries fundamentally.
    I really don't think they need "our" media.

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    We are being (or have already been) destroyed from within.

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