Reason #468 Why We Shouldn't Be Doing Any Business With Vietnam...

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

I really don't think they need "our" media.

I'm assuming you've been then, and talked to real Cubans, but ones different than the many I met who are currently paying for smuggled flash drives of local Miami programming at great personal risk. If not, what an odd thing to post.

I've only ever been to 20 or 30 countries though, so please enlighten me.

[jsbhike]

I'm assuming you've been then, and talked to real Cubans, but ones different than the many I met who are currently paying for smuggled flash drives of local Miami programming at great personal risk. If not, what an odd thing to post.

I've only ever been to 20 or 30 countries though, so please enlighten me.

People want all sorts of things. I don't need to go anywhere to talk to anyone to figure out our media is less than honest.

I am sure their media lies to them. Just because our media tells a different lie than their media doesn't change the fact it is a lie.

[chuckman]

A key difference is we don't need anything from Vietnam. Let their economy die from the communism they demanded. We don't need to get along because they aren't a nuclear power. We can get cheap stuff made in Bangladesh or a hundred other places. Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia can all go F themselves.

But if they can find any Monty's that are still alive, we can pay $100 for each of them that wish to become US citizens. But other than that VN can FOAD. Let them reap it.

But we do. Maybe not "need", but it's no secret that they are not particularly friendly with China, and having a political and strategic alliance with them at regent is very beneficial. And their economy is getting closer to what China's economy has become, they may be Communists, but they sure enjoy the benefits of capitalism.

[Big A]

People want all sorts of things. I don't need to go anywhere to talk to anyone to figure out our media is less than honest.

I am sure their media lies to them. Just because our media tells a different lie than their media doesn't change the fact it is a lie.

I think the media LowSpeed_HighDrag was referring to was something like Star Wars, not CNN.

[Big A]

What kills me is that our government is negotiating with the Taliban in Afghanistan when they should be eradicating them.

If we don't want A-stan to return to a Taliban run shithole then the U.S. is gonna need to keep troops there for the next 50+ years similar to how we've been in South Korea for 5 generations. That's what it will take in A-stan, several generations being taught what Liberty and Justice and Democracy represent and mean. Otherwise it will revert back to what it was pre-9/11.

[flenna]

What kills me is that our government is negotiating with the Taliban in Afghanistan when they should be eradicating them.

If we don't want A-stan to return to a Taliban run shithole then the U.S. is gonna need to keep troops there for the next 50+ years similar to how we've been in South Korea for 5 generations. That's what it will take in A-stan, several generations being taught what Liberty and Justice and Democracy represent and mean. Otherwise it will revert back to what it was pre-9/11.

The problem is that Islam is incompatible with Liberty and Justice and Democracy.

[jsbhike]

What kills me is that our government is negotiating with the Taliban in Afghanistan when they should be eradicating them.

If we don't want A-stan to return to a Taliban run shithole then the U.S. is gonna need to keep troops there for the next 50+ years similar to how we've been in South Korea for 5 generations. That's what it will take in A-stan, several generations being taught what Liberty and Justice and Democracy represent and mean. Otherwise it will revert back to what it was pre-9/11.

Saudis and others would have to be knocked down also for that to work.

[Nightvisionary]

What kills me is that our government is negotiating with the Taliban in Afghanistan when they should be eradicating them.

If we don't want A-stan to return to a Taliban run shithole then the U.S. is gonna need to keep troops there for the next 50+ years similar to how we've been in South Korea for 5 generations. That's what it will take in A-stan, several generations being taught what Liberty and Justice and Democracy represent and mean. Otherwise it will revert back to what it was pre-9/11.

There is a line of demarcation with state actors in Korea. None of that exists in Afghanistan. 2000 years of history do not support the probability of success. If I had to place my bets Americans including everyone here will disavow Liberty, Justice, democracy and the 2A long before the people of Afghanistan will embrace those alien principles. The Taliban didn't execute 9/11 they just harbored the Saudi prince that did and the founders of this country warned us of the dangers of foreign entanglements. 20 years is enough.

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

People want all sorts of things. I don't need to go anywhere to talk to anyone to figure out our media is less than honest.

I am sure their media lies to them. Just because our media tells a different lie than their media doesn't change the fact it is a lie.

MEDIA is one of those interesting words, one with many definitions and uses. Surely, you cannot think that any member of this forum would advocate our NEWS media as being any more genuine or honest than any of the dictatorship ruled countries.

Print, online, and film media: read TV Shows, YouTube, Hollywood movies, are what the people are clamoring for. Infusing that into their system would show them a world that their NEWS media has been lying to them about their entire lives.

[SteyrAUG]

According to Pew, circa 2017, Vietnam is the US's number 1 fan, with 84% of Vietnam viewing the US favorably. (Our number 2 fan is Israel at 81%. The next ones - Poland, Hungary, the Philippines, Nigeria - are in the 70s and it drops rather rapidly from there. By comparison, the people of our closest and least ironic ally in the Middle-East that isn't Israel, Jordan, hate our guts with only 15% viewing the US favorably. Most US allies' populations sit around 50-60% favorably viewing the US.)

71% of Vietnamese think it's a good thing that US ideas and customs are spreading in Vietnam. (Japan and the Philippines tie for third at 62% each.)

69% of Vietnamese like American ideas about democracy (Vietnam is finally not ichiban, here, taking second to South Korea's 78%).

(Source.)

So, yes. Those darned Vietnamese hate us and we're simply helping prop up a future enemy. A people who have spent most of the last century or more admiring the US. Who died in droves, in their country, at the hands of Americans and America's allies. Nosirree, it's we Americans who suffered the real losses. Sure, it was only a fraction of the losses they suffered, in a conflict our politicians chose and the American people (for a time) supported. We are, therefore, just and righteous for hating the Vietnamese people as a whole, while totally forgiving the American politicians, general officers, and public (only the latter of which have ever expressed any sort of remorse) for sending, supporting, and failing to properly lead the American fighting man in Vietnam. How dare those slant-eyed bastards resist the superior intellect of the white American (who the Vietnamese love and admire, except when he's trying to get them killed)!

ETA: I forgot that 86% of Vietnamese view Americans, not just the country, but the people, favorably. That ties them with the South Korea for number one (or two, depending on how you want to do it). The Philippines are next at 85%. And Sweden at 80%. Canadians view Americans less favorably than French, Brits, Dutch, Poles, Vietnamese, Koreans, Filipinos, Japanese, Australians, Israelis, and Nigerians. Among others.

Only 43% of Canadians view the US favorably. 58% of Canadians think the spread of US ideas and customs are bad. 55% of Canadians dislike American ideas about democracy. You should really be hating the Canadians.

That's great maybe they can like us enough to go find those MIA's and return their remains.

I'm sure since we resurrected their economy they love us, but don't care - F them.