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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bullseye View Post
    The only opinions that matter to me are those of the people who served in Vietnam.
    Those are the only ones I won't criticize. Hell if jewish families go to Germany and forgive elderly SS camps guards I won't criticize them. But I sure as hell will have an opinion on what those SS camp guards did and if it was the same damn government would damn sure have an opinion on what relations we have with them.

    Even though prominent German scientists got us to the moon, we had to be careful who was invited under Operation Paperclip. So I disagree that if you didn't serve you don't get an opinion. I wasn't in the Korean War but I have lots of opinions about our relations with North Korea, South Korea and China.
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    The sad part is if it hadn’t been for miscommunication; Vietnam would have actually been an ally as far back as the 50s.

    At one point Iran was our best friend in SWA.

    They are the only country we gave F-14s to.

    I hold a LOT of resentment for what happened because it has affected me personally and loved ones are not here as a result but I can only blame the egos of people who made the wrong decisions.

    Sometimes you really do have to let it go.
    Easier said than done but good in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belloc View Post
    Should we then treat Israel as a foreign adversary?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/isra...ls-2014-5?IR=T
    There is a fairly wide gulf of difference between intelligence collecting and intruding on private companies for the purpose of stealing information. Try again.

    Israel would be stupid not to collect intel on the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKGuns View Post
    There is a fairly wide gulf of difference between intelligence collecting and intruding on private companies for the purpose of stealing information. Try again.

    Israel would be stupid not to collect intel on the US.
    Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulezoo View Post
    I would say nothing to them. They have a right to their opinion and they earned it. To the others that have not been there, Americans are very notorious for short memories and dismissive of the past. Something most cultures are derisive of the U.S. for. For instance, how many Americans do you know that don’t understand why Russians dislike America for invading Russia? How many Americans do you know that we invaded Russia? Do you even know that? I can guarantee you that Russians that grew up in the USSR certainly do.
    Thanks, great input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    The sad part is if it hadn’t been for miscommunication; Vietnam would have actually been an ally as far back as the 50s.
    Wasn't a miscommunication so much as France wanted their colony back and we said "Sorry it's NATO" and we backed the French. Then when they took their ball and went home it became a proxy war between the USSR/China and the US and everyone was afraid to blink because it would embolden the other guy.

    OSS founder Donovan said we need to pick a team even before that, unfortunately we picked France.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belloc View Post
    Try again.
    No, I won’t try again and I won’t engage with someone who posts an off topic response because he hates the Jewish people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKGuns View Post
    No, I won’t try again and I won’t engage with someone who posts an off topic response because he hates the Jewish people.
    Really? Going to the "you hate Jewish people" nonsense because you were flat out wrong? You're really just that much of a child? Seriously?

    Last edited by Belloc; 04-28-19 at 02:13.
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