A Conversation About Firearms in America - Talking Points

[Averageman]

My point re Shapiro was the waste of potential he embodies--he coulda been so much more, though the same could be said about me too. LOL

He's a gasbag all right, kinda like Ann Coulter.

The Money gets in their way, then their head begins to swell a bit and they become tyrants. I call this disease "The O'Riley Factor."

[jsbhike]

And probably nobody did that thing better than the late Aaron Zelman. From things like "Gun Control is Racist" and other meticulously sourced articles he really exposed the true nature of gun control as inherently evil. He was one of the few who pointed out the obvious, that firearm ownership is a civil right and every bit as important as freedom of religion, freedom of expression, the right to vote, etc.

Anytime anyone tried to suggest it referred to a "militia" in terms of the National Guard, he was quick to clarify that the second amendment is found in the first 10 amendments known as the "bill of rights" which are all rights "of the people" and then he'd point out that the National Guard wouldn't be defined as an "organized militia" until the Dick Act of 1906 so it couldn't possible be the militia referred to within the second amendment.

Zelman used to quickly and decisively shut down the gun grabbers, and unlike people today who like to call any form of conservatism "nazi's", when he called out the gun grabbers as "nazi's" it had quite a bit more validity.

JPFO of the 1990's was outstanding.

[JoshNC]

Ben Shapiro is a closeted homosexual Neo-Con shill who can kiss my black ass.

huge facts. Get dem facts, nickel.

He’s definitely not a homosexual (not that I would care if he was) and he’s solidly pro gun.

[Todd00000]

Honestly I feel the need to explain my gun rights about as much as the average black guy feels the need to explain his right to vote.

And I'm not looking for converts nor am I interested in doing missionary work on behalf of guns. I don't think everyone should have a gun. I believe everyone has a right to own a gun, so long as they aren't prohibited persons, but I'd say probably 50% of the population are people I wouldn't encourage to own a gun, they simply aren't responsible enough. I can think of 12 year old kids I'd prefer to train than a lot of grown adults I know.

Also a lot of people are content to respect rights so long as they are not bothered. If we start being too insistent on getting the message to everyone it will be about as well received as porn companies wanting to have an open discussion about freedom of speech.

Of course all of this is zip code dependent, in CA porn companies probably do host discussions of freedom of speech. In TX gun clubs probably do host discussions on the second amendment. But in most cases, those who are interested in the subject already know everything you are going to say and those who are sick of hearing about it are more annoyed.

Hell there are gun owners right here who won't have an NRA membership because they are tired of being solicited by phone and mail for donations.

AND we tend to think of liberals as uneducated, but liberals think of us as evil. You can't have a discussion with someone that thinks you are evil.

[Bulletdog]

He’s definitely not a homosexual (not that I would care if he was) and he’s solidly pro gun.

Agreed. He's also anti-PC, anti left, anti socialist, and from everything I've seen he's against anything that is anti-American. He regularly speaks publicly to defend and promote our side.

Why anyone on our side would be against him makes no sense to me.

[AKDoug]

Agreed. He's also anti-PC, anti left, anti socialist, and from everything I've seen he's against anything that is anti-American. He regularly speaks publicly to defend and promote our side.

Why anyone on our side would be against him makes no sense to me.

Agreed. Sure he makes money at it, but why not?

[SteyrAUG]

Agreed. He's also anti-PC, anti left, anti socialist, and from everything I've seen he's against anything that is anti-American. He regularly speaks publicly to defend and promote our side.

Why anyone on our side would be against him makes no sense to me.

He hurts us by promoting opinion as fact and not specifically differentiating between the two.

[AKDoug]

He hurts us by promoting opinion as fact and not specifically differentiating between the two.

Do you have a specific position that he has presented as "fact" that is not? I'm honestly curious.

[SteyrAUG]

Do you have a specific position that he has presented as "fact" that is not? I'm honestly curious.

And I should have come prepared. It was some video that I simply can't find right now. But just so we are on the same page, I agree with pretty much 90% of his political views, my objection is he presents editorial / opinion news in a matter of fact manner, which is so common today most don't even know why it's wrong. But he's not as bad as what happens on CNN pretty much all the time, every day.

[AKDoug]

And I should have come prepared. It was some video that I simply can't find right now. But just so we are on the same page, I agree with pretty much 90% of his political views, my objection is he presents editorial / opinion news in a matter of fact manner, which is so common today most don't even know why it's wrong. But he's not as bad as what happens on CNN pretty much all the time, every day.

Copy that. You also have to remember that he has the Ben Shapiro Show which is a political commentary show (opinions, not news) and he is the editor in chief of the Daily Wire that covers news. I've never considered him anything other than a commentator and not a news source.