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Thread: Secrecy, Self-Dealing, and Greed at the N.R.A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Safari View Post
    I'll say one thing: If NRA manages to stop the current batch of proposed legislation after the Dayton and El Paso shootings they will largely be forgiven for whatever they've done.

    If they fail--I don't think the organization comes back from marginality.
    They have historically claimed many positives they really didn't achieve while deflecting the role they played in making negatives possible.

    There are a lot of their supporters that allegedly do not know any of this has came to light and go in to cult member chant and sway mode when presented with the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    4 years got me curious, looks like that may have been how long he was chipping in. This could get entertaining if any geriatric victims paying in for decades piggy back on to it.
    Sad you should mention geriatric. The way they constantly ask me to renew my membership, even if I did last week, implies that they prey on the memory impaired, on a criminal level. And it reminds my of my memory impaired patients, who commonly have NRA stuff in their homes.

    I’ve run into (anti gun soldiers, wtf) guys from Cali at work that like to talk about the NRA. I try to explain to them they really have no need to be upset by the NRA. Theres no point.

    Hey, NRA! You’re a meme! Hated by the left as the “pro gun organization” known to be worthless feces by the right!
    RLTW

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    This jewell just popped up , the NRA was about to buy WLP a mansion in Texas so he could do his job better, LOL !!!@!*****@#$(()( *******$$$$$$$$$

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    If It Wants To Survive, The NRA Needs To Change

    Why should gun owners fund an organization that is most effective at keeping a few people rich?

    In the mid-1970s the NRA had to make a choice. As crime continued to spike across the nation, and politicians increasingly embraced gun control measures, an internal debate broke out about the future of the organization.

    Initially, the NRA’s more passionate Second Amendment advocates were purged. NRA leadership would fire more than 70 activists during the early part of the decade. By 1976, the organization’s board decided to relocate its headquarters from Washington to Colorado to extract itself from political debate altogether. It wasn’t until a 1977 NRA convention in Cincinnati that politically minded members pulled off something of a coup, wresting the organization from the nonpolitical wing.

    Many of today’s gun control advocates like to claim the “Cincinnati revolt” was the moment extremists took over the organization, undermining average gun owners who were merely interested in hunting and skeet shooting — which is, needless to say, a simplistic understanding of both the NRA’s history and gun owners. The reality is that the shift was an organic one, reflecting the mounting anxieties among members who felt increasingly under political attack. The NRA was best positioned to take the lead. If it hadn’t, another advocacy group would have emerged to take its place.

    The gun control debate had changed, and the NRA changed with it. And the more gun controllers pushed, the more popular the NRA became, doubling its membership from 1977 to 1983. With every concerted effort to enact gun restrictions, the organization grew.

    What is the point of the NRA now? Is it to be one of the thousand partisan outfits in D.C. helping elect Republicans, or is it to make compelling and effective arguments about the virtues and necessity of the Second Amendment? For someone looking in from the outside, it seems the past few years have been mostly about the former.

    Of course, we shouldn’t forget the NRA runs an array of programs around the country that cultivate responsible gun owners. (I should also mention that the NRA’s National Firearms Museum in Fairfax, Virginia, is a quite fascinating place.) And it isn’t the group’s fault, as a policy matter, that firearms have become predominately a partisan issue. Young voters might not be aware that the NRA once regularly supported pro-gun Democrats such as Harry Reid and Bernie Sanders. It’s the left’s embrace of confiscatory policies and intrusions that often makes bipartisan support untenable. The NRA is compelled to back Republicans because Republicans — and the judges they nominate and confirm — are far more prone to protect gun rights.

    The problem with being a partisan outfit, however, is that you soon start working for the party, rather than asking the party to help you. After the Las Vegas mass shooting that killed 58 people, the deadliest in U.S. history, the Trump administration unilaterally banned bump stocks through executive action. “As a matter of both law and physics,” my colleague Sean Davis pointed out at the time, the move was an “abomination.”

    You can imagine that had the Obama administration engaged in a precedent-setting intrusion into gun rights, banning an accessory by fiat rather than legislatively, the NRA would rightly have raised hell about the dictatorial powers of the presidency. In this case, the best pushback the organization could muster was that it had been “disappointed.”

    Today, Republicans talk about universal background checks and red-flag laws that could strip gun owners of their due process rights, and the NRA isn’t offering persuasive arguments about why they’re bad ideas. Are they even part of the conversation in any meaningful way? It’s difficult to tell. These days, the NRA, it seems, is just a convenient punching bag for Democrats who are too cowardly to go after tens of millions of gun owners.

    Today, “taking on the NRA” has become one of the most common acts of faux bravery in Democratic Party politics. If the NRA were as powerful as its critics contended, the civil and constitutional rights of gun owners would never be challenged. If the NRA spent the kind of money its critics claimed, it would be the most powerful organization in American life.

    In reality, the group’s expenditures are minuscule in comparison to other major lobbying. Its entire 2019 lobbying efforts have amounted to under $2 million. The NRA is only influential because it represents — either through direct membership or through ideological kinship — a lot of American voters.

    If the NRA were as extremist as Democrats claim, Americans would be walking into supermarkets and buying fully automatic real-life assault rifles. The NRA, in fact, has always been cautious on policy. (It’s worth remembering, for example, that the NRA had opposed bringing the Heller case forward, believing taking it to a higher court could backfire and enshrine the collective rights theory. It was an idealistic libertarian contingent that can be thanked for the protections of both Heller and McDonald. If it had been up to the NRA, the Second Amendment would not have been codified as the individual right.)

    Another problem with being aggressively partisan is that the NRA turns off millions of Americans who might be open to its cause but aren’t politically involved themselves. In the past few years, the NRA leadership handed the keys (and a ton of cash) to the PR firm Ackerman McQueen, which in turn, seemed to believe the NRA should be another Fox News rather than a civil rights organization. Now the two are mired in counter suits.

    Over the past few years, I appeared on a number of shows on the now-defunct NRATV network — the streaming channel run by Ackerman McQueen. Many personalities on the network were excellent spokespeople for gun rights and for conservative ideas. But should the NRA strive to involve itself in every contemporary debate, creating antagonism on issues that have absolutely nothing to do with gun rights? Though I’m certainly no public relations expert, it seems to me that the mission of any issue-oriented organization should be to proselytize rather than alienate.

    On top of all of this, a nasty and convoluted internal fight has broken out among the board members and NRA head Wayne LaPierre, none of which has anything to do with the future of gun rights, as it had in 1977, but rather personal animosity and greed.

    It’s unlikely that most members are very interested in the disputed specifics of the kerfuffle, but it all spilled into public view when then-president Oliver North alleged that the NRA was spending — or rather, wasting — nearly $100,000 a day on lawyers. The NRA’s top lobbyist, Christopher Cox, would also resign after being accused of plotting to push out LaPierre. Apparently, the NRA head had spent about $540,000 on clothing and travel expenses that had been laundered through Ackerman. The NRA claimed the costs were justified for business reasons — a contention I imagine a gun owner in Bozeman, Montana, or Aurora, Colorado, might dispute.

    This week, we learned via the Wall Street Journal that the NRA had signed a document agreeing to purchase 99% of a company that was formed for the sole purpose of buying LaPierre a $6 million mansion in Dallas. For whatever reason, the deal was never consummated.

    Why should any gun owner or Second Amendment advocate send money to an organization that is increasingly ineffective on policy, though highly effective at keeping a few people rich? Perhaps longtime members keep re-upping with the NRA, but how many younger Americans are becoming members? If the NRA wants to be as powerful as Democrats claim it is, it’s going to have to change again.


    David Harsanyi is a Senior Editor at The Federalist. He is the author of First Freedom: A Ride Through America's Enduring History with the Gun, From the Revolution to Today.

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/14/nra-must-change/
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    If It Wants To Survive, The NRA Needs To Change
    The NRA was best positioned to take the lead. If it hadn’t, another advocacy group would have emerged to take its place.
    I think we'd be better off if there had been a separate organization taking over the political fight, leaving the NRA to focus on providing firearms safety, education, training and lifestyle content. If we had two separate organizations, one for legal matters and one for promoting responsible gun ownership, people would gravitate towards what they had an interest in. As it is now, there's a tug of war within the NRA as to what their focus should be.

    A gun rights organization working cooperatively with a gun owner's organization might be more effective and less contentious.
    What if this whole crusade's a charade?
    And behind it all there's a price to be paid
    For the blood which we dine
    Justified in the name of the holy and the divine…

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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    I think we'd be better off if there had been a separate organization taking over the political fight, leaving the NRA to focus on providing firearms safety, education, training and lifestyle content. If we had two separate organizations, one for legal matters and one for promoting responsible gun ownership, people would gravitate towards what they had an interest in. As it is now, there's a tug of war within the NRA as to what their focus should be.

    A gun rights organization working cooperatively with a gun owner's organization might be more effective and less contentious.
    Just got through mentioning the safety training in another thread. If their political side was trying half as hard as the safety segments to make their actual activities meet their claimed goals there wouldn't be anything to criticize.

    If their safety people operated like far too much of their political branch, checking the chamber would involve a good bore light to look for meplat/ogive.

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