Secrecy, Self-Dealing, and Greed at the N.R.A.

[SteyrAUG]

AKDoug: If the NRA is so awesome, why cant I buy tommy guns and Colt Monitors like dude did in Highwaymen?

I would actually pay the cuck tax for a brand new 240 if sold at cost.

Actually YOU CAN. YOU just have to find one and pay out the ass for the rare/collector price.

However, IF NOT for the NRA you wouldn't even have that option. Here is what Hughes and Rodino were trying to pass in 1986.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...me-Control-Act

No grandfathering, nothing. Those that own them, own them till they die and cannot transfer them to anyone. That means those who owned machine guns in 1986 would be the last people to ever own machine guns. Oh and suppressors too.

The FOPA version came around and the NRA told Reagan to sign it because a "better deal" wasn't coming and a terrible deal was the alternative.

[Chameleox]

It is time for a better NRA, but not the time to abolish it. Abolishing it will further embolden the anti-gunners. Can you imagine the political hay the anti-gunners would reap if they took down the NRA? It would be the first domino and local gun groups wouldn't stand a chance.

You're right. But because the NRA is so big, and because so many people think that should just accept their poor management, cronyism, and ineffectiveness because they're the biggest group "defending our rights", it's going to be difficult.

No one wins a war by staying on the defensive. I want an NRA that is looking to not only preserve our rights but expand them, or at least reclaim what we've lost over the years.

Steyr mentioned a ways back that I should tell the next caller that I'll sign up for life if they get the sporter clause removed. How about the NFA? Where are we on the Hearing Protection Act?

Here's what my small monkey brain came up with as ideas for improvement:
1. LaPierre and North need to go
2. NRA leadership has to embrace a more transparent accounting model, where every dollar that goes towards political action, legal fees, advertising, and lobbying has to be tracked, justified, and publically available. Beat them to the punch. "You want to see our numbers? Fine they're on our website; we cleaned house a couple years back and have nothing to hide."
3. Move its main offices off of the east coast. It's a toxic environment. Not only are the local politics inimical, but any locally sourced employees will be suspect.
4. Dump or reinvent the School Shield and Carry Guard programs.
5. Re-frame the narrative with the youth. Something like this: you think this President is a fascist? Look at Nazi Germany. Look at Pol Pot, etc. what did each fascist regime begin by doing? Yup. Firearms confiscation. Now look forward 50, 100, heck just 20 years. Imagine a true dictator in America. Someone who you revile, who is curtailing free speech, searching homes, seizing property, censoring the press, locking up dissidents. This is what the 2nd Amendment was for; Let not the next generation lament a choice to disarm made by this one."
6. Along the same veins, court new members, especially the youth, women (esp. mothers), and minorities. The 2nd protects those who are most vulnerable. Imagine an ad that shows a minority or LGBTQ person being assaulted until they access their CCW or get the AR out of safekeeping and hold their ground (not necessarily shooting). How about a parent (pan past photos on a mantle of spouse deployed) getting kid into car and driving to school. As they're dropping junior off, someone starts popping off rounds.
7. Publically or not, embrace that more members own modern sporting rifles. Leadership has to make peace/amends for the bump stock turd (take em or leave em, it was a turd).
8. As the membership shifts to millennials and hipsters, focus the publications and news on self defense, gun and personal defense technology, and hunting as organic/sustainable food procurement. Less "safaris for under $20k", "handloading for the .30-40 Krag", and "lead is now ok for hunting migratory birds on protected wetlands; you're welcome".
9. Find, take up, and win a bigger battle, as listed above.
10. Equate NRA membership with any other civil liberty protection membership. They protect each other, together they protect us all.

[Esq.]

You're right. But because the NRA is so big, and because so many people think that should just accept their poor management, cronyism, and ineffectiveness because they're the biggest group "defending our rights", it's going to be difficult.

No one wins a war by staying on the defensive. I want an NRA that is looking to not only preserve our rights but expand them, or at least reclaim what we've lost over the years.

Steyr mentioned a ways back that I should tell the next caller that I'll sign up for life if they get the sporter clause removed. How about the NFA? Where are we on the Hearing Protection Act?

Here's what my small monkey brain came up with as ideas for improvement:
1. LaPierre and North need to go
2. NRA leadership has to embrace a more transparent accounting model, where every dollar that goes towards political action, legal fees, advertising, and lobbying has to be tracked, justified, and publically available. Beat them to the punch. "You want to see our numbers? Fine they're on our website; we cleaned house a couple years back and have nothing to hide."
3. Move its main offices off of the east coast. It's a toxic environment. Not only are the local politics inimical, but any locally sourced employees will be suspect.
4. Dump or reinvent the School Shield and Carry Guard programs.
5. Re-frame the narrative with the youth. Something like this: you think this President is a fascist? Look at Nazi Germany. Look at Pol Pot, etc. what did each fascist regime begin by doing? Yup. Firearms confiscation. Now look forward 50, 100, heck just 20 years. Imagine a true dictator in America. Someone who you revile, who is curtailing free speech, searching homes, seizing property, censoring the press, locking up dissidents. This is what the 2nd Amendment was for; Let not the next generation lament a choice to disarm made by this one."
6. Along the same veins, court new members, especially the youth, women (esp. mothers), and minorities. The 2nd protects those who are most vulnerable. Imagine an ad that shows a minority or LGBTQ person being assaulted until they access their CCW or get the AR out of safekeeping and hold their ground (not necessarily shooting). How about a parent (pan past photos on a mantle of spouse deployed) getting kid into car and driving to school. As they're dropping junior off, someone starts popping off rounds.
7. Publically or not, embrace that more members own modern sporting rifles. Leadership has to make peace/amends for the bump stock turd (take em or leave em, it was a turd).
8. As the membership shifts to millennials and hipsters, focus the publications and news on self defense, gun and personal defense technology, and hunting as organic/sustainable food procurement. Less "safaris for under $20k", "handloading for the .30-40 Krag", and "lead is now ok for hunting migratory birds on protected wetlands; you're welcome".
9. Find, take up, and win a bigger battle, as listed above.
10. Equate NRA membership with any other civil liberty protection membership. They protect each other, together they protect us all.

I agree with almost all of that EXCEPT the transparency part. They need to be transparent but Bloomberg doesn't need to know how much the spend, where they spend it or how many shekels they have in the bank. There has to be a way to balance out the need for good stewardship vs. letting everyone know you're ever secret. A regular audit by a good firm with reports that state "Sound internal controls" "Sufficient cash flow and assets for operations" etc....would do the job.

[Firefly]

The day I can buy me a new 240 with no BS is the day I renew my cuckscription

[SteyrAUG]

The day I can buy me a new 240 with no BS is the day I renew my cuckscription

The day you can buy a new 240 is the day the NRA will no longer need you as a member. You are free to do as you like, and I won't criticize, but it sorta does work both ways. Not like the ACLU is going to be doing anything about your M240 anytime soon.

[jpmuscle]

Actually YOU CAN. YOU just have to find one and pay out the ass for the rare/collector price.

However, IF NOT for the NRA you wouldn't even have that option. Here is what Hughes and Rodino were trying to pass in 1986.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...me-Control-Act

No grandfathering, nothing. Those that own them, own them till they die and cannot transfer them to anyone. That means those who owned machine guns in 1986 would be the last people to ever own machine guns. Oh and suppressors too.

The FOPA version came around and the NRA told Reagan to sign it because a "better deal" wasn't coming and a terrible deal was the alternative.

We get it Steyr the NRA did us a quasi solid 30 years ago. They still suck.


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[SteyrAUG]

We get it Steyr the NRA did us a quasi solid 30 years ago. They still suck.


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Ok man, you win.

The NRA sucks. Hey that fixed everything. We have our rights back...oh wait.

Seriously, if you have a better plan, please clue us in. Cause right now the NRA is the only thing doing anything at all. That means as much as the NRA is ineffective, everyone else (except for possibly the Cato Institute) is doing even less.

I like the GOA, I like JPFO, I like a lot of other groups. Problem is Congress never even heard of them. And if everyone in the NRA switched to the GOA it wouldn't change much, it would take Congress another 10 years to realize they are a thing, and by then the GOA would be just another mostly ineffectual lobby.

So if you have a better plan than "The NRA Sucks" then let's have it. Because the NRA can suck with or without you.

[jsbhike]

Interesting the media and politicians lie about everything down to the smallest detail except when they talk about the NRA being a stumbling block to more gun control.

[Grand58742]

Tangent, but related.

I'm really glad New York is so crime free it gives them a chance to go after the NRA.

https://apnews.com/abfecc7f1d56498d8b4a1aee6b1f84d8

[Hmac]

The whole drama is a yawner. I’m confident that this kind of behind-the-scenes cronyism and slimy politics in an organization with as much money, power, and influence as the NRA has been going on for decades. Are any of you actually surprised?