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Thread: Secrecy, Self-Dealing, and Greed at the N.R.A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Because it appears to me, simple shit that I am, that the head honchos are bilking the membership by double dipping, paying outlandish fees to buddies in return for favors - to them personally - down the road.

    Do you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, think that former Democrat Wayne LaPierre, actually gives a fvck about your AR? Nope, he hopped on the NRA pony in 1977 and is riding it for all it's worth:

    Later that year (in 1977), Wayne LaPierre began working for the N.R.A., as a lobbyist. LaPierre, a former Democratic legislative aide with little experience handling guns, was not obviously suited to a role as a firebrand.

    In 2014, NRA contributions totaled $103 million and LaPierre's compensation was $985,885. In 2015, NRA contributions totaled $95 million. In that year, LaPierre received a $3.7 million "employee funded deferred compensation plan", which was required by federal law, according to the NRA raising his total annual compensation to $5,110,985.


    Let's see, $5,110,985 was 5.4% of the total take of the NRA for that year. Yep, he's down in the trenches with us, lots of skin in the game. LOL
    I really, really get you. I'm all for calling a spade a spade, especially when it comes to our guys that we give money to so that they can act on our behalf and in our interests. I'm all for calling out former Dems who know nothing about guns becoming big deal people in the NRA. And we should all remember the NRA gave Harry Reid an A fcking rating right up until he tried a last hour, second attempt at the Sandy Hook Assault Weapon Ban when he thought nobody was looking and everyone believed the issue was settled.

    But sad as they are sometimes, the NRA is out first wall of defense. Granted it's crumbling, not well maintained and money we give for improvements or even maintenance seem to get spent on other things. But it still is our first wall of defense and any changes for the better are going to have to come from within.

    Of course that means that your average NRA member must be made to understand what the NRA does, what they are supposed to be doing and what they aren't doing at all. So we have to start there.

    I'd be willing to bet 50% of NRA members don't even know what the "sporter clause" within the 1968 Gun Control Act is or how much it dramatically impacts their lives and regulates the firearms they can and cannot have access to. Sadly they all seem to know about the Reagan "machine gun ban" and will forever piss and moan about that one while being willfully ignorant of the rest of FOPA 86 and what the alternative would have been if it had not been passed.

    If I could have just one thing, it would be Universal Education regarding the Sporter Clause so the NRA membership would declare BULLSHIT and make the NRA actually do something meaningful about something. But no, they are too busy with Bumpstock and that traitor Trump who banned them without even realizing the "sporter clause" is the basis for such arbitrary legislation.

    If I was President of the NRA I would send out an information letter every damn month informing people about the Sporter Clause and what can be done to strike it from the 1968 GCA.
    Last edited by SteyrAUG; 04-23-19 at 00:15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Because it appears to me, simple shit that I am, that the head honchos are bilking the membership by double dipping, paying outlandish fees to buddies in return for favors - to them personally - down the road.

    Do you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, think that former Democrat Wayne LaPierre, actually gives a fvck about your AR? Nope, he hopped on the NRA pony in 1977 and is riding it for all it's worth:

    Later that year (in 1977), Wayne LaPierre began working for the N.R.A., as a lobbyist. LaPierre, a former Democratic legislative aide with little experience handling guns, was not obviously suited to a role as a firebrand.

    In 2014, NRA contributions totaled $103 million and LaPierre's compensation was $985,885. In 2015, NRA contributions totaled $95 million. In that year, LaPierre received a $3.7 million "employee funded deferred compensation plan", which was required by federal law, according to the NRA raising his total annual compensation to $5,110,985.


    Let's see, $5,110,985 was 5.4% of the total take of the NRA for that year. Yep, he's down in the trenches with us, lots of skin in the game. LOL
    NRA members that are aware of those points keep donating, encourage others to donate, and try to get new members.

    Their base membership vigorously supports their current operations. Why would they change course to a tougher path that stands a chance of alienating a large part of the people who are their steady stream of revenue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    I really, really get you. I'm all for calling a spade a spade, especially when it comes to our guys that we give money to so that they can act on our behalf and in our interests. I'm all for calling out former Dems who know nothing about guns becoming big deal people in the NRA. And we should all remember the NRA gave Harry Reid an A fcking rating right up until he tried a last hour, second attempt at the Sandy Hook Assault Weapon Ban when he thought nobody was looking and everyone believed the issue was settled.

    But sad as they are sometimes, the NRA is out first wall of defense. Granted it's crumbling, not well maintained and money we give for improvements or even maintenance seem to get spent on other things. But it still is our first wall of defense and any changes for the better are going to have to come from within.

    Of course that means that your average NRA member must be made to understand what the NRA does, what they are supposed to be doing and what they aren't doing at all. So we have to start there.

    I'd be willing to bet 50% of NRA members don't even know what the "sporter clause" within the 1968 Gun Control Act is or how much it dramatically impacts their lives and regulates the firearms they can and cannot have access to. Sadly they all seem to know about the Reagan "machine gun ban" and will forever piss and moan about that one while being willfully ignorant of the rest of FOPA 86 and what the alternative would have been if it had not been passed.

    If I could have just one thing, it would be Universal Education regarding the Sporter Clause so the NRA membership would declare BULLSHIT and make the NRA actually do something meaningful about something. But no, they are too busy with Bumpstock and that traitor Trump who banned them without even realizing the "sporter clause" is the basis for such arbitrary legislation.

    If I was President of the NRA I would send out an information letter every damn month informing people about the Sporter Clause and what can be done to strike it from the 1968 GCA.
    But Oliver North and lots of others wouldn't want the sporter clause removed at all.

    https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/05/1...ban-waco-raid/

    From what I have found, Neal Knox pushed for the sunset addendum in 1994. In 1997 the NRA made sure he wouldn't end up as president of the organization.
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    The NRA is historically a fudd organization that supported several of the most egregious infringements on our 2nd Amendment. The NRA only cares about semi automatic firearms because perpetual ban scares earn them A LOT of money. Aside from a few individuals, the organization by and large doesn’t give a rats ass about the average M4C member’s right to own firearms for the purpose of fighting a tyrannical government. You can just LOOK at that weasel LaPierre and know he’s a closet fudd. I doubt they’ll ever fight to undo their previous evils, and they’ll continue to half-heartedly fight for us to keep our remaining rights because there is no money to be made in a decisive victory. They’d have to go back to firearms education.

    The NRA understands one thing: money. The corrupt executives are a bunch of bloodsucking ticks—dug in deep and draining precious lifeblood from the organization. The only hope for true, meaningful change is for members to vote with their wallets. I’m fine with the organization crumbling if they don’t reel in their irresponsible spending and FIRE those who have been running the organization into the ground for decades. They control their own destiny at this point.

    The NRA is the megachurch of the gun culture.

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    Those of you propping up the NRA think of this: If the same amount of people supported GOA, Wayne LaPierre and his duck gun buddies would become largely irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Safari View Post
    Those of you propping up the NRA think of this: If the same amount of people supported GOA, Wayne LaPierre and his duck gun buddies would become largely irrelevant.
    What does this mean? That we should stop support for the NRA and support the GOA? You should support them all. But as I said earlier in this thread, there is no way we would have gotten through 2013 unscathed without the NRA.

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    How about we list all the Pro-2A organizations that gun grabing liberals fear? I'll start:

    The NRA



    I suspect if you dug deep enough you could find, lets say, small irregularities in ALL of the following organizations.

    GOA/Gun Owners of America
    SAF/The Second Amendment Foundation
    JFPO/Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
    Constitutional Rights PAC (This one goes beyond just 2A, but that's a big part of their mission.
    FPC/Firearms Policy Coalition
    WAGC/Women against gun control
    Citizens Committee for the right to Keep and Bear Arms


    I like GOA and all these other groups,I really do, but,
    If GOA ever held a meeting, it could be a Pratt family re-union with founder and past Executive Director Larry talking to son and current Executive Director Erich while Mama fixes sammiches. All 14 employees of GOA could fill out the crowd.

    But the NRA Annual Meeting will be an actual event, featuring President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence.
    https://www.nraam.org/

    15 acres of guns and gear, for 80,000 attendees from over 800 vendors. No wonder the GOA trolls are jealous with envy this week.
    . https://www.indystar.com/story/news....ts/3378556002/
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    For everyone defending the NRA and saying, "Where would we be without them?"

    Be honest, YOU HAVE NO IDEA where we would be. NONE. ZERO. Because they exist they have essentially sucked all the oxygen out of the room. There is little left for any other organization.

    Would another organization be better? Be worse? Who knows?......But no one can say they "know" anything about what things would be like without the NRA. There would likely be other organizations to take their place if they were not around and what they would do, how they would do it etc...is completely unknown. I can tell you this much, they do exactly jack and shit here in Texas- the Rep. that covers Texas covers TWO other states, nobody sees her in Austin. The heavy lifting is done by the Texas State Rifle Association- and that's fact- and unfortunately, they are a bunch of Fudds content to play small ball when it comes to our rights.

    ETA: I also find it curious that on a board full of LE and Veterans etc...that everyone is so quick to excuse corruption if it's "their guy".... It's kind of sad really. Honor, integrity etc....apparently just words now....No wonder we are where we are as a nation. If you can excuse these things in your own- then you had better believe war is coming or you can simply submit to scumbags of one stripe or another.
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    All right I'll concede we can't just flush the NRA until there is something better, which there may never be. But they're not getting another penny from me until they become a lean, efficient, and effective organization ON THE OFFENSIVE RATHER THAN THE DEFENSIVE. When they have the clout to repeal GCA '68, the NFA, the Brady Law, Section 922(r), etc., then I will believe. Until then, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggy View Post
    How about we list all the Pro-2A organizations that gun grabing liberals fear? I'll start:

    The NRA


    I like GOA, but,
    If GOA ever held a meeting, it could be a Pratt family re-union with founder and past Executive Director Larry talking to son and current Executive Director Erich while Mama fixes sammiches. All 14 employees of GOA could fill out the crowd.

    But the NRA Annual Meeting will be an actual event, featuring President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence.
    https://www.nraam.org/

    15 acres of guns and gear, for 80,000 attendees from over 800 vendors. No wonder the GOA trolls are jealous with envy this week.
    . https://www.indystar.com/story/news....ts/3378556002/
    Why would liberals fear a group that has been instrumental in getting so many anti-gun laws on the books?

    Will President Trump extoll the virtues of bump stock bans, red flag laws, and how America is slowly coming out from under the boot heel of due process?

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