Secrecy, Self-Dealing, and Greed at the N.R.A.

[SteyrAUG]

But Oliver North and lots of others wouldn't want the sporter clause removed at all.

https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/05/1...ban-waco-raid/

From what I have found, Neal Knox pushed for the sunset addendum in 1994. In 1997 the NRA made sure he wouldn't end up as president of the organization.

Your problem is actually with membership and not leadership. Of course actually getting the membership to do something meaningful about the leadership is a rather large problem. It took the Clinton ban to get the NRA to stop treating gun owners who have black rifles like some outlaw biker contingent of the community. Don't even get me started on NFA stuff, there are gun owners who spend more time worrying about the effectiveness of their realtree camo on their crossbow then there are ones who understand anything about NFA weapons.

[jsbhike]

Your problem is actually with membership and not leadership. Of course actually getting the membership to do something meaningful about the leadership is a rather large problem. It took the Clinton ban to get the NRA to stop treating gun owners who have black rifles like some outlaw biker contingent of the community. Don't even get me started on NFA stuff, there are gun owners who spend more time worrying about the effectiveness of their realtree camo on their crossbow then there are ones who understand anything about NFA weapons.

I think there is plenty of issues with leadership as well as membership. While it is unlikely members would ever remove leaders, leaders have certainly taken steps to make it difficult to remove them.

[Esq.]

Everytown has new Ads'......Thanks Wayne and the Excellent Leadership at NRA HQ!!!!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/everytown...181625261.html

[jsbhike]

Everytown has new Ads'......Thanks Wayne and the Excellent Leadership at NRA HQ!!!!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/everytown...181625261.html

That was an interesting article. they can really hold a grudge considering the only time the NRA was really focused on Firearms Rights was when Knox was involved

[SteyrAUG]

I think there is plenty of issues with leadership as well as membership. While it is unlikely members would ever remove leaders, leaders have certainly taken steps to make it difficult to remove them.

And what you just described is the "real world" as it exist with just about any collection of humans. Governments usually don't act in the best interests of the people, organizations are like mini governments.

However any meaningful change is NOT going to come from leadership, it will have to come from an informed membership that understands the problem and is willing to do what is necessary to make changes.

One of those things that will allow change is being an NRA member who can vote for board directors.

One of those things that will probably do nothing to change things is complaining on the internet.

Anyone can define a problem, define a solution. Provide an action plan other than "The NRA sucks."

[jsbhike]

And what you just described is the "real world" as it exist with just about any collection of humans. Governments usually don't act in the best interests of the people, organizations are like mini governments.

However any meaningful change is NOT going to come from leadership, it will have to come from an informed membership that understands the problem and is willing to do what is necessary to make changes.

One of those things that will allow change is being an NRA member who can vote for board directors.

One of those things that will probably do nothing to change things is complaining on the internet.

Anyone can define a problem, define a solution. Provide an action plan other than "The NRA sucks."

Well that would be nice, but we get back to the whole leadership having taken steps to make sure it doesn't get removed thing. Paying them further guarantees they won't do anything different.

If a business isn't providing the service I want, why would I continue to pay for essentially nothing? Or in this case not only not getting what I want, but the business causing further harm. This would be akin to hiring a pest control company that not only fails to control pests in the first place, but is staffed with employees carrying in parasites.

[SteyrAUG]

Well that would be nice, but we get back to the whole leadership having taken steps to make sure it doesn't get removed thing. Paying them further guarantees they won't do anything different.

If a business isn't providing the service I want, why would I continue to pay for essentially nothing? Or in this case not only not getting what I want, but the business causing further harm. This would be akin to hiring a pest control company that not only fails to control pests in the first place, but is staffed with employees carrying in parasites.

It's more like expecting a business you didn't hire to do anything for you. If you aren't a customer of McDonalds do you really feel it is within your rights to demand menu concessions?

Just so we are on the same page, I agree with you. But non members are never gonna change anything and a complacent membership is unlikely to effect any change.

I think the last time the membership ever got fired up to do ANYTHING was when Larry Craig was voted off the board because of his airport men's room antics. Never mind that he single handedly prevented the reauthorization of the Clinton Assault Weapon Ban about a week before the sunset when a Republican majority Congress successfully amended it to an Industry Protection Bill he introduced.

If not for Craig, none of us would have a 6920, but because he was gay and liked to troll airport bathrooms for hookups the membership got rid of him quick. And that is pretty much the problem, lots of people in the NRA care more if somebody is gay than if he actually prevented the permanent reauthorization of the Clinton Ban.

Larry Craig should have become President of the NRA on that day. Would have solved LOTS of problems.

[jsbhike]

It's more like expecting a business you didn't hire to do anything for you. If you aren't a customer of McDonalds do you really feel it is within your rights to demand menu concessions?

Just so we are on the same page, I agree with you. But non members are never gonna change anything and a complacent membership is unlikely to effect any change.

I think the last time the membership ever got fired up to do ANYTHING was when Larry Craig was voted off the board because of his airport men's room antics. Never mind that he single handedly prevented the reauthorization of the Clinton Assault Weapon Ban about a week before the sunset when a Republican majority Congress successfully amended it to an Industry Protection Bill he introduced.

If not for Craig, none of us would have a 6920, but because he was gay and liked to troll airport bathrooms for hookups the membership got rid of him quick. And that is pretty much the problem, lots of people in the NRA care more if somebody is gay than if he actually prevented the permanent reauthorization of the Clinton Ban.

Larry Craig should have become President of the NRA on that day. Would have solved LOTS of problems.

I don't recall demanding the NRA do anything for me unless wanting them to stop supporting laws and politicians that infringe on rights. On the latter, I have certainly been told by many of their members that joining and donating money is the key to making them stop.

[Biggy]

Got my MAGA hat and going to the NRA Show Friday and have a great time.
Vote Trump in 2020 !!

[Grand58742]

I have zero love for the NRA as of late. Wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if they went bankrupt.

However...

I do not want to see them fail because the anti-gun groups will call that their victory and go twice as hard against other pro-2A groups and politicians. And one thing we know is politicians will vote for whomever puts money in their pockets. Oh, I mean "reelection campaign" funds.

Screw Bloomberg and his stupidity. I want the NRA around just as a counter to him.