Secrecy, Self-Dealing, and Greed at the N.R.A.

[AKDoug]

Doc (and others) - I wonder if this was why Pete Brownell resigned so quickly?

I think Pete didn't like the politics of the whole thing. Some people see Pete as a dirty guy that wanted to get deeper in politics. I see a clean guy that didn't like what he saw of politics. I don't know him personally, but that's the impression I get reading the lines among numerous articles on the net.

[AKDoug]

On the circling the black hole thing. There are some really good guys and gals on the NRA board. (there's some major turds as well) Maybe an internal coupe is what is needed to right the ship. Honestly, there is a ton of infrastructure that the NRA has that will hurt all of us if it goes away, and I'm not just talking politics. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater at this point would be stupid.

The Friends of NRA grants MILLIONS of dollars per year to shooting ranges, shooting sports and shooting teams, the NRA itself is one of the largest providers of instruction certifications, and the ILA has been effective in many arenas.

There simply is not a pro-gun organization that could fill the void and in today's environment I'm not sure one could ever be formed again.

[Doc Safari]

NRA made a genius move getting Charlton Heston. Maybe you could argue Ted Nugent is a positive icon for them.

But Grover Norquist has been dissed by Glenn Beck and others as a CAIR and Muslim Brotherhood flunkie. And Oliver North? Even if you believe he was innocent his reputation was tainted by doubt--hardly a role-model for an organization that prides itself on being the shining bastion of the law-abiding.

And NRA's victories? Have they ever won a "hard" fight? Hell, have they ever "fought" a hard fight? It seems like anytime they see themselves on the wrong side of being politically correct they've either caved, negotiated deals, or agreed with the gun grabbers (see: bump stocks).

People DIED establishing this country. Yet an organization like NRA that purports to be the prime defender of the Second Amendment to the Constitution sure doesn't seem to want to do anything but phone it in.

[themonk]

NRA made a genius move getting Charlton Heston. Maybe you could argue Ted Nugent is a positive icon for them.

But Grover Norquist has been dissed by Glenn Beck and others CAIR and Muslim Brotherhood flunkies. And Oliver North? Even if you believe he was innocent his reputation was tainted by doubt--hardly a role-model for an organization that prides itself on being the shining bastion of the law-abiding.

And NRA's victories? Have they ever won a "hard" fight? Hell, have they ever "fought" a hard fight? It seems like anytime they see themselves on the wrong side of being politically correct they've either caved, negotiated deals, or agreed with the gun grabbers (see: bump stocks).

People DIED establishing this country. Yet an organization like NRA that purports to be the prime defender of the Second Amendment to the Constitution sure doesn't seem to want to do anything but phone it in.

You dont think they played a role in 2013?

[Doc Safari]

There simply is not a pro-gun organization that could fill the void and in today's environment I'm not sure one could ever be formed again.

And if people keep that attitude, there certainly won't be. Continuing to support the NRA is like continuing to date the fat chick because you know she will go out with you.

If people took their money and put it in GOA en masse then the NRA might become unnecessary.

And I know there are good people there: You get no argument from me on that.

But like someone once said, "What do you get if you mix clean water with dirty water? Dirty water." NRA either cleans house or it's toast.

[Doc Safari]

You dont think they played a role in 2013?

A role, yes. But in the age of the internet there are just so many other voices fighting for the 2A that the message is loud and clear.

[glocktogo]

Being an NRA supporter is being an enabler in a co-dependent relationship. Sure they take your money and treat you like dirt, but they've told you for so many decades that they're the only ones who will take care of you and put up with you, you've come to accept it as truth.

Take ALL the money you give the NRA and give it to the other true 2A defense organizations. We'd be in a better place now that we are with the NRA as the "ONLY" ones keeping us from being disarmed.

[themonk]

A role, yes. But in the age of the internet there are just so many other voices fighting for the 2A that the message is loud and clear.

I think you don't quite understand the power they have in washington. No other organization even comes close.

You don't have to support them but if they go bye bye we are done.

[Doc Safari]

I seriously think the JPFO could give the NRA a run for its money, or at least from what I know of them from a few years ago. Could have changed I guess.

[Doc Safari]

I think you don't quite understand the power they have in washington. No other organization even comes close.

You don't have to support them but if they go bye bye we are done.

Have fun staying married to an abusive spouse then. I bet there's a letter asking for money in your mailbox right now.