Armed Mexican personnel surround and disarm US soldiers on US SOIL

[1168]

Wake nailed it.

[Doc Safari]

Have you ever been in the military?

ETA - there is such a thing as two groups of Soldiers trying to figure out what the hell is going on without getting killed by each other. Again, I’m not crazy about the fact that they were disarmed, but a few guys ultimately ended up talking. That’s not a hostile act from a foreign country.


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It sounds like sheer incompetence. Living in the Southwest I'm surprised the Mexicans would even know how to fire their weapons. And I'm dissing Mexicans for their lack of training and skill, not their race.

[Esq.]

Not the first time this has happened. For some reason it's always the Mexicans that are lost.....

[SomeOtherGuy]

What Steyr and Wake said. But it wouldn't hurt to have some A-10s loitering and Apaches on standby to deal with issues like this. Maybe some AC-130s making occasional appearances just to send a message.

And build the f'ing wall.

[docsherm]

Dude. Have you ever been in an uncomfortable confrontation where you’re outnumbered 3:1? At least one guy had an M9 but I haven’t seen mention of anything else, whereas multiple reports have said all of the Mexicans had some type of assault rifle. Those are shit odds. Plus, we’re not in open conflict. There’s no reason to believe they would’ve committed any type of hostile act. While frustrating, those guys did the best thing they could’ve in their situation. That’s not even considering the fact that they’re probably not combat arms, maybe not even active duty.

Had you been there, you more than likely would’ve done the same thing, or you would’ve caused an international incident AND be dead.


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I have. Have you?

And they were active duty from a combat arms unit, Artillery out of JBLM if I am not mistaken.

[Firefly]

Everybody gotta die sometime, Wake.

I hear the people you kill in anger become your slaves in hell.

[docsherm]

They were active duty from 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, out of Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington


The military is a dangerous job. Even if you are a supply guy you are in danger at work. If this is something that a person is not able to do don't join or get out. It is not a free ride for a GI Bill.

[Wake27]

I have. Have you?

And they were active duty from a combat arms unit, Artillery out of JBLM if I am not mistaken.

Only in training and observing others in training when I was an OC, that’s all it took to drive the point home that it’s a tricky situation that can be quickly escalated for no good reason. That’s why I’m curious as to what in his life experience has told him that they definitely should’ve made that a fight.

They were active duty from 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, out of Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington


The military is a dangerous job. Even if you are a supply guy you are in danger at work. If this is something that a person is not able to do don't join or get out. It is not a free ride for a GI Bill.

100% agree. That doesn’t change the fact that in the long run, they probably made the right decision. I don’t think any of us know how willingly they gave up the M9, or if it was even loaded and the guy knew how to use it. The job they’re doing is not a part of their normal mission and ultimately it deals with humans from different countries interacting, which a lot of junior people in the military are not good at.


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[1168]

Guys, I get it. Being a Soldier is a job you should know you may die for. But we are not at war with Mexico. If you get rolled up lightly armed, on duty, by Mexican troops, properly armed, the State department will post bail shortly. And you don’t have to die. And there’s no need to start a war. Shit like this is why peacetime government detention and non-state actors focused SERE courses exist.

Most people that think they are ready to die for something, aren’t. Its just a misunderstanding.

[docsherm]

Guys, I get it. Being a Soldier is a job you should know you may die for. But we are not at war with Mexico. If you get rolled up lightly armed, on duty, by Mexican troops, properly armed, the State department will post bail shortly. And you don’t have to die. And there’s no need to start a war. Shit like this is why peacetime government detention and non-state actors focused SERE courses exist.

Most people that think they are ready to die for something, aren’t. Its just a misunderstanding.

I will break this down very simply.


Those soldiers are lucky as F@#K. Based on the reports and the description they were at best Mexican Army working for a Cartel. They could have rented up with tires around them and set on fire. Bad things happen to the CBP all of the time. Dealing with a foreign gov is easy..... they usually play by the rules and don't do crazy crap.

On the other hand when you are dealing with non-state actors everything goes out the window. That is what is going on there.

For anyone that HAS actually worked these areas the variables and actions must be relooked at as the rules of the game are completely different. Never take anything for granted. Don't think that the State Department will get you out because you may simply end up with a bullet in the back of your head in the middle of nowhere before it ever comes to that.

The real issue here is sending out a 2 man patrol without long guns. This is Big Army and they need to be rolling with the same rules they did in other parts of the world. 2 Vech minimum. The command needs to step up and not set the soldiers up for failure.

Does anyone remember the soldiers that got rolled up in Kosovo back in the 1990s? They get messed up and werr very lucky to get released.