Armed Mexican personnel surround and disarm US soldiers on US SOIL

**SilverBullet432** · 04-26-19, 00:03

Originally Posted by ABNAK

Sounds to me like there might be an excuse in this quote from your earlier post:

No, not everyone is corrupt over there. Many of those guys have seen family and fellow soldiers killed by the Cartels, they are in a REAL war, one with massive corruption on both sides. But as long as the gringos want the dope, the market will be there.

So essentially the cartels are our doings, not Mexico's, right?

I don't understand "loyalties" to a place you're not even from. I take it you were born here and your family legally immigrated, so your allegiance should be to America 100% and nowhere else. Do you identify (if asked) as a hyphenated American? Funny, I have ZERO "feelings" for Germany, Ireland, Slovakia, or Italy (where my ancestry is from).

I identify as American, born and raised. Actually you know what? I identify as 100% Texan! Fight me!

**LowSpeed_HighDrag** · 04-26-19, 00:20

Remember the Alamo...or something like that.

**ABNAK** · 04-26-19, 08:41

Originally Posted by SilverBullet432

I identify as American, born and raised. Actually you know what? I identify as 100% Texan! Fight me!

Oh God. [face/palm]

**Averageman** · 04-26-19, 09:17

If you consider the very few things we originally wanted the Federal Government to do Constitutionally, controlling immigration and defending our borders were one of the few yet paramount powers written in there.
That we now allow politicians to partisan politics and lobbying agents be used to avoid their political duty to do so means we really do need to drain the swamp.
We have far fewer reasons to deploy our military outside CONUS than we have to use them to control our borders and protect American Citizens from the influx of illegal immigration and illicit drugs.
I really have no problem with a ROE that would include deadly force and Squadron sized outposts all along our border to protect our sovereignty and safety.
That an American Soldier was disarmed on our side of the border by agents of the Military of Mexico should be a hell of a wake up call for Big Army and our Congress as to how far off the chain this thing has gone.

**Todd.K** · 04-26-19, 15:00

Originally Posted by ABNAK

"We" amigo? I get what you're saying, but there ain't no "we" about it. I do not advocate ANY of that. Yet our powers-that-be turn a blind eye…..Dems for the potential votes and Republicans for the cheap labor (thank you Chamber of Commerce).

I'm saying it's an attractive place to come to and we made it this way, through who we have voted for. It's not that we owe anything to anyone. The mess is mainly our own fault.

**ABNAK** · 04-26-19, 19:40

Originally Posted by Todd.K

I'm saying it's an attractive place to come to and we made it this way, through who we have voted for. It's not that we owe anything to anyone. The mess is mainly our own fault.

As is not fixing it.

I always have to laugh (well, really shake my head) when it is brought up about "....because of who we voted for". Whatever the subject, be it guns, the economy, Social Security, or illegal immigration. Exactly who the hell are we supposed to vote for? [rhetorical question] You vote for the best candidate that fits your views and beliefs. Often times they don't do exactly what they say they're going to once in office. So you don't vote for them next time and the worse guy wins. Hell, even on this site there is castigation for not "holding your nose" and voting the lesser of two evils, because one is considerably worse. I can't totally agree with that but then again I can't disagree with it either. So where do we find this miracle candidate that fits all of our Conservative/freedom-minded views and still wins the general election? And if/when you do find them how do you get enough people to support them to win the general? Sorry, but in this society the winner takes all in Federal elections, and that means enough people have to vote for them in order to win. Therefore they have to appeal to more than just us like-minded folks. I don't know what the answer is but saying we "voted" for this isn't exactly true. Considering roughly half this country (IMHO) has their heads firmly planted up their asses, if you can get the 50% + 1 then that candidate has to also appeal to the people theoretically on "your" side but who lean a little leftward, yet not left enough to vote the other way.

There is no easy answer, but I refuse to accept responsibility for this border mess as I am adamantly opposed to the way things are being handled now (and for the last 30+ years). I voted for Trump but he waffles a bit when push comes to shove (although he talks a good game) and our illustrious Congress has hamstringed him on this subject.....even when the Republicans held both houses!

**JoshNC** · 04-27-19, 09:31

Originally Posted by Averageman

If you consider the very few things we originally wanted the Federal Government to do Constitutionally, controlling immigration and defending our borders were one of the few yet paramount powers written in there.
That we now allow politicians to partisan politics and lobbying agents be used to avoid their political duty to do so means we really do need to drain the swamp.
We have far fewer reasons to deploy our military outside CONUS than we have to use them to control our borders and protect American Citizens from the influx of illegal immigration and illicit drugs.
I really have no problem with a ROE that would include deadly force and Squadron sized outposts all along our border to protect our sovereignty and safety.
That an American Soldier was disarmed on our side of the border by agents of the Military of Mexico should be a hell of a wake up call for Big Army and our Congress as to how far off the chain this thing has gone.

This is exactly what our military should be doing. Screw foreign wars. Screw nation building. Secure our border.

**OH58D** · 04-27-19, 10:36

For those of you who have never been on the New Mexico/Mexico border, here is video from last year showing the progress. Prior to the new "wall" going up, it was nothing but some barbed wire and anti-tank hedgehog barriers. Previously nothing to stop you from crossing into the US of many miles of nothing. The video is west of Santa Teresa, New Mexico: