Armed Mexican personnel surround and disarm US soldiers on US SOIL

**NWPilgrim** · 04-29-19, 19:40

Originally Posted by Nightvisionary

Mex military routinely crosses the border supporting/retrieving/escorting cartel drug shipments in Southern Arizona. This kind of thing is only news to those who are not Border Patrol agents or don't live or spend time on the border which admittedly is 99% of the population. It is an entirely different world in those remote places. The border is very fluid in many areas and not really under the control of the U.S. Government. I think we are eventually going to lose that fight and end up relinquishing lands gained under the Treaty of Guadalupe back to Mexico.

I read a biography of Frank Hamer recommended in the B&C thread and in it the author states that the Texas Rangers were initially formed to control the border and protect the settlers from the Comanches, and bandits, etc. they seemed pretty effective at that with relatively small numbers. They were still doing that actively in the early 20th century but then the feds took it over with the customs and then Border Patrol in the 40s or there abouts? I think what has changed so dramatically is that we have so many incentives for people to come here even illegally: welfare, employers willing to hire, free education, free health care, etc. If we want to control illegal entry we have to shut down the incentive side as well as strengthen the border fence/wall and patrols.

Comprehensive immigration policy should mean removing incentives and strengthening border control, NOT more free stuff and amnesty.

**ABNAK** · 04-29-19, 20:04

I'm still waiting for the handwringers on here who insist that illegals can't get welfare explain to me just how they indeed do get it? [crickets chirping]

**MountainRaven** · 04-29-19, 21:29

Originally Posted by ABNAK

I'm still waiting for the handwringers on here who insist that illegals can't get welfare explain to me just how they indeed do get it? [crickets chirping]

How do they get it?

**26 Inf** · 04-29-19, 22:31

Originally Posted by MountainRaven

How do they get it?

Here is something on it:

In an April 12 appearance on “Lou Dobbs Tonight” on Fox Business, Kobach made a compelling argument that the Department of Homeland Security has been operating more like a branch of the Deep State Swamp than as the agency tasked with protecting our borders.

In particular, Kobach told Dobbs that a carry-over policy from the Obama administration could be working as a magnet to attract migrants who want to take advantage of generous U.S. welfare policies.

“The crisis is not getting better. It’s getting worse right now, and it appears that what’s happening is there is an old Obama administration policy that is causing all kinds of problems. The policy is giving what’s called immigration parole to people who come into the United States illegally before releasing them. And what that means is once you give them this special status — an immigration parole — then they’re eligible for a work permit and they’re eligible for welfare benefits earlier than they would be otherwise.”

As Kobach told Dobbs, “Now we’re seeing the consequences, which is were getting this huge magnet, and the word is getting out. … We’re hearing reports from the migrants themselves that they are coming in expecting to get welfare benefits, food cards as we refer to them, and they are expecting to get employment authorization.”

With parole, these illegal immigrants would be able to qualify for welfare benefits within a year. Without parole, they couldn’t get work permits or welfare benefits until they got asylum, a process that could take years, especially with the current crush of illegal border crossers.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...en_140174.html

Fact Sheet: Immigrants and Public Benefits

Are undocumented immigrants eligible for federal public benefit programs?

Generally no. Undocumented immigrants, including DACA holders, are ineligible to receive most federal public benefits, including means-tested benefits such as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, sometimes referred to as food stamps), regular Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for health care subsidies under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and are prohibited from purchasing unsubsidized health coverage on ACA exchanges.

Undocumented immigrants may be eligible for a handful of benefits that are deemed necessary to protect life or guarantee safety in dire situations, such as emergency Medicaid, access to treatment in hospital emergency rooms, or access to healthcare and nutrition programs under the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC).

Are legal immigrants eligible for federal public benefit programs?

Only those with lawful permanent resident (LPR) status, but not until they have resided as a legal resident for five years. LPRs – sometimes referred to as green card holders – do not have full access to all public benefit programs and are subject to limitations before being eligible for federal means-tested benefits, including Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), TANF, SNAP, and SSI. Such limitations include the “five-year bar,” which requires the individual to have maintained LPR status in the U.S. for five years before being eligible for benefits. However, under some federal benefit programs, this requirement can be bypassed when the recipient has worked 40 quarters under a visa. Quarters worked by parents when the immigrant was a dependent child, or by a spouse while married to the immigrant, count towards the immigrant’s 40 quarters.

LPRs are eligible to apply for Medicare and Public/“Section 8” Housing as well, as long as the five-year bar is fulfilled. For LPRs to become eligible for Social Security benefits for both retirement and disability, they are required to have completed 40 quarters of work in addition to having maintained LPR status for five years.

Certain additional categories of immigrants, specifically refugees, asylum seekers, and victims of human trafficking or domestic violence have the same eligibility requirements for federal benefits as LPRs. Individuals on non-immigrant and temporary visa holders are ineligible for benefits.

Are immigrants eligible for state benefit programs?

In some states, yes. Twenty-six states make immigrants eligible for state-funded benefit programs. Most of these states either offer assistance to families or provide access to healthcare to otherwise uninsured immigrants. Examples of these programs are New York’s Safety Net Assistance, California’s CalFresh Food Assistance Program, and California’s Cash Assistance Program for Immigrants (CAPI).

What is the protocol for “mixed-status families,” i.e., undocumented parents with citizen children?

Like any U.S.-born citizen, U.S. citizen children of undocumented parents can received federal benefits if they meet eligibility requirements without penalty. Similarly, the child’s eligibility does not change their parents’ or any other family members’ eligibility for that benefit.

How much do legal immigrants use federal public benefit programs?

Legal immigrants use federal public benefit programs at lower rates than U.S.-born citizens. As recently as 2013, the rate at which non-citizens have used public benefit programs was less than that of U.S.-born citizens. For example, 32.5 percent of native-born citizen adults receive SNAP benefits compared to 25.4 percent of naturalized citizen adults and 29 percent of noncitizen adults. In addition to immigrants’ lower rate of SNAP usage, they also receive lower benefit values, costing the program less.

How much do immigrants contribute to support public benefits programs?

Both documented and undocumented immigrants pay more into public benefit programs than they take out. According to Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, undocumented immigrants contribute an estimated $11.74 billion to state and local economies each year. However, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for many of the federal or state benefits that their tax dollars help fund.

Additionally, a few states have completed studies demonstrating that immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in government services and benefits. A study in Arizona found that the state’s immigrants generate $2.4 billion in tax revenue per year, which more than offsets the $1.4 billion in their use of benefit programs. Another study in Florida estimated that, on a per capita basis, immigrants in the state pay nearly $1,500 more in taxes per capita than they receive in public benefits.

Do undocumented children have access to a public education?

Yes. In accordance with the Supreme Court ruling in Plyer v. Doe, all immigrant children, regardless of status, have access to a public education and are eligible to attend public schools for grades K-12. Undocumented immigrants are also eligible for the Head Start program as it is not considered a federal public benefit program – any child who is otherwise eligible, regardless of their or their parents’ immigration status, may enroll in Head Start or Early Head Start.

https://immigrationforum.org/article...blic-benefits/

**ABNAK** · 04-30-19, 18:57

Originally Posted by MountainRaven

How do they get it?

Looks like 26 Inf answered it quite well (damn, that dude can research shit!). Specifically this part: "The policy is giving what’s called immigration parole to people who come into the United States illegally before releasing them. And what that means is once you give them this special status — an immigration parole — then they’re eligible for a work permit and they’re eligible for welfare benefits earlier than they would be otherwise."

I also surmise that under some f****d-up BS about these non-Mexican "asylum" illegals being released with a court date that they can get SNAP (at least, probably some type of housing assistance too) while they await the court date they will never show up for.

Personally, they can friggin' starve and live in a cardboard box (with their uninvited kids too) for all I care. They are NOT supposed to be here, PERIOD. ANY of them, ninos too. We are our own worst enemy......

**NWPilgrim** · 05-01-19, 00:08

I guarantee DSHS does not see its job to prudently manage the financial resources of taxpayer funds to aid only the legitimate needy. Govt manager pay is based on the complexity of programs managed, the number of employees supervised and the size of budget managed. See anything in there that incentivizes prudence? No. So every worker that wants to make their boss happy will maximize the number of approved claims and amounts dispensed. Do you think anyone actually audits those millions of claims? Do you think any govt claims manager has ever been reprimanded let alone fired for being loose with govt payouts?

Therefore, if there is ANY WAY possible, the DSHS claims adjudicators will approve as many claims as possible no matter how flimsy the person’s status is. Worse thing happens is that 1 out of a few thousand sketchy approvals are pointed out and the manager says whoopsie, sorry let’s move along. The law provides a narrow window which govt bureaucrats drive freight trains through. This style of thinking in govt assistance agencies really took off after Clinton was elected. And it has taken permanent root.

**SteveS** · 05-10-19, 21:11

Originally Posted by JoshNC

This is exactly what our military should be doing. Screw foreign wars. Screw nation building. Secure our border.

Our military in not set up to win wars or protect this nation . Sorry guys but it is a fact.

**NWPilgrim** · 05-10-19, 21:13

Originally Posted by SteveS

Our military in not set up to win wars. Sorry guys but it is a fact.

Our military is pretty damn good at winning. It is our State Dept and politicians who put stupid boundaries and conditions on them that guarantee they can never win. Because winning is too masculine and mean.