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My pump holds 7 in the tube. Now, I know that the chance of the average guy having to repel enough home invaders to run it out of ammo is very small. And you could mount a stock sleeve with 5 or 6 more shells, but it occurs to me that's like a revolver and speed loader: chance of reloading in a close quarters shootout is negligible.
An M4 type is feeling like a better option.
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yes, this is why the firearms gods have endowed us with SBRs
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Yes. Bird guns do almost nothing better than an M4.Originally Posted by ginzomatic
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Shotguns are indispensible for shooting flying stuff out of the sky... If I didn't enjoy shooting trap and hunting pheasants, then I wouldn't have bothered to buy a shotgun at all.
Of course, now that I have a shotgun, it has an extended mag and a light. I don't anticipate shooting bad guys with it but rather wayward skunks and raccoons — it's packing #5 birdshot.
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I guess one should strive to get to the point where one can shoot flying stuff out of the sky with an M4?
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Nah, I just meant to reinforce what MarkM said: There's not much point to shotguns except shooting small moving targets.
Example: It occurs to me that the solution to drones in prohibited areas is a shotgun firing birdshot.
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This has been pretty well accepted for the past several years.
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I don't think you have much chance of hitting a reload with a M4 in a close quarters gunfight at HD distance. But then again, with 28-30 rounds I'd hope you didn't have to.
We've been down this road before in this forum.
I don't think you can give a blanket answer as to what is best for all situations.
I would say that if you are limiting yourself to one shoulder weapon the rifle is probably a better overall choice for most folks.
Enlarging on the can't give a blanket answer thought, I have a suppressed SBR, a 20" 20 gauge loaded with slugs, and several pistols immediately accessible for home defense. If a scenario would present itself where I needed to move through my house, I would do it with a pistol.
One concern I have with the M4 is that if you need to take a close, has to be immediately incapacitating shot, sight offset may be an issue - if you need to take a hostage shot on someone holding your kid.
With the shotgun in the same situation, while sight offset isn't a concern (we are bead people), pattern spread and the wad are. This is why I use Brennake slugs in the 20ga. I chose a 20ga because my wife prefers it over the 12ga.
That is me, based on my analysis and experiences. Others have different opinions, and that is okay, as long as they are making informed, considered choices for themselves.
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In the house I would prefer the pistol. In the yard the rifle. I do have a SHTF shotgun but mostly for hunting. It is a 20" vent ribbed 870 with an 8 round tube and light. I wouldn't feel naked if I had to use it for SD but it wouldn't be my first choice.
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Yep. This every time.
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