"critical flaw-" in FN pistol

[MountainRaven]

The real news here is that the FNS is going out of production.

[dwhitehorne]

I thought this was discovered 2 years ago and part of the reasons why Baltimore, MD and Columbia,SC ditched the FNS. David

[1168]

The real news here is that the FNS is going out of production.

Yeah, wasn’t the 509 supposed to replace the FNS? I don’t really follow FN handguns, so I kind of forgot the FNS was around.

[SteyrAUG]

Did anyone actually watch the video?

The FN handgun will NOT FIRE if the slide is out of battery. That isn't a design flaw. If it DID fire out of battery THAT would be a design flaw. You don't want an out of battery discharge.

If you are concerned that your handgun may not fire because the slide is out of battery because it is pressed against an attacker during a struggle you may want to investigate duty revolvers.

Also I just grabbed my Gen 3 Glock 19 and pressed the slide back just enough to tilt the barrel and guess what? You pull the trigger and you GET NOTHING. Of course that is a good thing.

Seriously, this is the most retarded thing I've heard coming out of a PD.

[26 Inf]

I watched the video.

Seems to me the concern was things that happen under specific circumstances after the pistol goes back into battery.

I liked the Loaded Laser Straight Safe acronym.

We had one agency get the FNS right after they came out. They sent student officers to us with new FNS pistols that we were told 'needed to be fired 150 to 200 rounds to break-in'. Guess what - they were right.

After a couple of issues we became believers, when the agency sent pistols that hadn't been 'broken in' we'd take them and fire mags through them while the student officers were in the first morning range lecture. You should have seen the crap we hosed out of those pistols with gun scrubber after firing the 'break-in' rounds.

IIRC, I think they had them right at a year before they got rid of them.

[1168]

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[MegademiC]

Did anyone actually watch the video?

The FN handgun will NOT FIRE if the slide is out of battery. That isn't a design flaw. If it DID fire out of battery THAT would be a design flaw. You don't want an out of battery discharge.

If you are concerned that your handgun may not fire because the slide is out of battery because it is pressed against an attacker during a struggle you may want to investigate duty revolvers.

Also I just grabbed my Gen 3 Glock 19 and pressed the slide back just enough to tilt the barrel and guess what? You pull the trigger and you GET NOTHING. Of course that is a good thing.

Seriously, this is the most retarded thing I've heard coming out of a PD.

My takeaway is that if i push against an attacker and it doesnt fire, just pull back.
Or if you decide not to shoot, rack the slide, which you have to do because of dead trigger anyway?

[C-grunt]

The issue is after you try and fire it out of battery something happens with the striker system and it will fire sometime later if bumped right.

Ive talked with several firearms instructors with AZDPS and they have all been able to replicate this issue.

[Jellybean]

I didn't tend to put FN in the crap category.

Indeed....
Well, everyone knows anything NOT a Glock is or will be crap, #glockmasterrace and all that...


To be serious though, IIRC the FNS has had issues since day 1, and ALL related to trigger stuff. I believe the original issue was if you did something or other "just so" (another of those "this will never happen IRL" things, but was easily replicated) the trigger would lock up, and you'd be unable to fire the gun until doing some sort of remedial shenanigans.
The "failure to reset trigger after attempting to fire a shot OOB" simply seems like a totally predictable evolution of the original problem.

Shame... I kinda liked that gun.

[OH58D]

I've owned an FNP-45 since they first hit the market and it's been a fine weapon. I have a variety of modern pistols, including the new Sig Sauer P320/M17, and I still like having a handgun with a hammer. Just old fashioned I guess. For the record, I've had a Glock 17 since 1994 and it has never failed me yet, so the hammer is not a requirement.