View Poll Results: Under $1000 the most reliable out of the box 9mm Carbine / SBR / Braced Pistol

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  • An AR 9mm (Which brand? Complete gun only)

    7 14.00%
  • Ruger 9mm carbine

    2 4.00%
  • Uzi Pro

    1 2.00%
  • Beretta CX4

    3 6.00%
  • Scorpion EVO

    27 54.00%
  • Kel-tec Sub2000 gen 2

    0 0%
  • Other

    10 20.00%
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Thread: What is the most reliable out of the box 9mm carbine / SBR / Braced pistol?

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    I'd rather have an MP5 of some variety, but if I couldn't, I'd be comfortable enough with a CZ.
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    I donít know if itís ďthe bestĒ, but my Stribog is pretty great. Just got my stamp to sbr it today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pappabear View Post
    Just don't, buy a Zenith/mp5 or MPX and live happily ever after.

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    I've read the Mp5 often has issues with JHP's. I hear mixed reliability from the MPX, too.

    All of these are well over way over $1000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by czgunner View Post
    I don’t know if it’s “the best”, but my Stribog is pretty great. Just got my stamp to sbr it today.
    Does it feed JHP's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron3 View Post
    Does it feed JHP's?
    Iíll run some as soon as it gets back from engraving and let you know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron3 View Post
    I've read the Mp5 often has issues with JHP's. I hear mixed reliability from the MPX, too.

    All of these are well over way over $1000.
    I've never seen an actual HK or HK contract rifle that couldn't feed JHPs. Now clones often have lots of problems with lots of things, including ammo.
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    My CX4 has been 100% reliable with either the 92 or PX4 mags.
    For thousands of rounds with the 92 insert and hundreds with the PX4 insert.
    Itís durability is not true .mil level.
    But nothing that would stop you from getting through a week or two of roof Korean, civil unrest, race war, zombie horde, duty type of stuff.

    I am coming up on a 1000 rounds through a PAK9 with a single malfunction, acquired firing a mag with the ejection port pointed up. I thought the handguard and magwells would be less durable than they are. I was wrong. I am about 1/3 Beretta and 2/3 Glock magwell use on it. It is Better than the range toy I expected. With durability meeting or exceeding the PX4. My understanding is the Draco9 and it are made in the same factory. One early review had a CZ magwell version. I canít find them for sale. I would be very surprised if someone could not bring metal bombproof beretta, Glock, CZ, 320, etc magwells to market- if enough of these make it to market.

    I have had a G19 and Beretta 96 Sub2K each for about a decade. Reliability is about 98.5% ish. One had to be sent back for a repair for being stuck on fire. Sights, durability, etc. are a joke. Range toy, night or two of home defense or roof Korean sort of thing.

    I am very new to the 9mm AR realm. Like about 500 rounds experience. With a single malfunction. Bolt locked back with a single round still in the magazine. Later determined to be a mag issue, burr on the front of the follower and not the gun.

    There are some fantastic choices if you are not a dead set on Beretta, let alone Glock magazine capability.

    If I had to make a single 500$ ish budget choice,
    If you have Beretta handgun and mags I would lean towards CX4. For Glock PAK9.

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    As nice as some of the options are, I am not interested in any new magazine specific options.
    Last edited by ramairthree; 05-07-19 at 03:00.
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    I look at 9mm carbines every once in a while, but I have never bought one. I like them, donít get me wrong, but I prefer a rifle round on a rifle. And I have a couple 9mm handguns that fill that need.
    Whatís the benefit of a 9mm carbine vs a 9mm handgun like a Glock 34 or Glock 17?
    Now, give me a Marlin 357Magnum or 44Magnum lever gun and I will be happy.

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    For Under 1k I think the CZ Scorpion is the choice. I dont personally own one, but it did extremely well on AKU 5k round test and i have heard much bad about them at all.

    The Foxtrot Mike brand looks to be a decent value option as well for Ar pattern

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    Within the OP - Scorpion seems to be the best choice.

    However, in that scenario, why would you not just take an AR?


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