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Thread: Are We About to Go to War with Iran?

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    Iran probably ran out of the billions Obama sent them and now they think they can raise hell and Trump will send another check. Id like to see these B-1's and B-2's down in Diego Garcia do what they were designed to do. Make Dresden look retro.

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    What would be the goal and or the win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Well, you asked....

    I don't think we should have backed out of the nuclear deal with them. Not saying that it was a great deal, but we kind of left a bad taste in the mouth of the other signatories, several of whom are allies, rapidly becoming former allies under this administration. Most knowledgeable sources apparently believed that Iran was in compliance. I think President Trump's administration was too focused on how Iran was acting in other areas such as Syria and Hezbollah.

    At this point, we are on the road from being a trusted partner, to being a partner of necessity for many of our Nation's allies.

    Nonetheless, we have come to this point, and here is what I believe should happen regarding Iran and the Middle-East in general:

    If we get involved in a shooting conflict with Iran, that will play right into the hands of the Russians, and the Chinese. Guarantee you the problem in Venezuela will grow by leaps and bounds. And who else in the middle-east would we be battling?

    Quite frankly, everyone in the world who keeps an eye on such things knows our military is getting frayed. We have solid troops, but they are too few and too worn to take on anything else right now. The other elements of force projection 1) transport to get the troops deployed and then keep them supplied is already stretched; 3) the Navy is facing a material and personnel readiness crisis because of the op-tempo; 4) likewise the Air Force. If I know that from reading open source material so does anyone else who cares to look. Russia and China would love to see somethin cook off with Iran to get us further in the hole readiness wise so that it will take us even longer to recover.

    If I were given a free hand, I would begin building the armed forces back to 1990-91 levels. That would mean an across the board tax increase. The times we are living in have become near as, if not more volitale, than they were at the height of the Cold War in my opinion.

    This will take time, and we need to calm things in order to get breathing room.

    To signal that our build-up was not predatory, if I was given the keys to our foreign policy, I would realign our middle-eastern commitments. Countries would have to make a choice whther they want to remain our allies or go it on their own without our aide other than for basic humanitarian needs.

    To that end, Israel would have to accept the stationing of U.S. troops in sufficient numbers to maintain order in the disputed areas (until a two-state agreement is brokered) and provide a credible deterent to any Nations set on Israel's destruction. Under my doctrine, to attack Israel would be to attack the U.S. and result in full scale war. As a result, Israel could begin to play nicer with it's neighbors and, hopefully in a decade, we would be able to reduce our footprint.

    I would go to Iran and say we had a good thing going for you, and we need to reestablish that path.

    Now, I'm not a complete fool, that is pie-in-the sky dreaming.

    If we need to go into Iran, we need to do it with full force and effect, no half-steps. That means that we will likely be fighting other Nation's and taking and holding ground. That means emergency mobilization - the draft. It will be messy, it probably will expand. Otherwise, we are just going to be marching in place with no real progress for another 18 years.

    The question is, do the America people have the guts for that, or will they allow the leaders to squander the lives of our youth for another decade? You can bet President Trump nor Bolton will be doing any fighting. (I won't either for that matter.)
    I appreciate the reply sir. As to the building up of troops, I truly think we need to be doing that. As to putting troops in Israel, just sitting here now, that seems good. But I truly think we need to start acting like the baddest dude in town, because we are. But, in the end, my beliefs tells me there will NEVER be a solution this side of Heaven.
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    With the combination of a theocracy and a nuclear weapons program, the sad truth is the world has no choice but to deal with Iran. If anyone here thinks the USA can walk away from the threat that is Iran, your mistaken.

    When your theology craves for the world to be in the throngs of destruction in order to bring your messiah, and you teach children that being suicide bombers is better than becoming doctors, lawyers, business people, cops bus drivers or even mothers and fathers. You then add nuclear weapons to the mix and these people hate the USA, you can't walk away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    Iran has plans to attack USA targets, in the region and around the world. We have hard intelligence on this and we shared it with the USA.

    Regarding the deal obama made with Iran, my friends father was the Israeli Ambassador to IAEA and he told me that the deal would give Iran the bomb 100%.

    When we took 1000 pounds of documents from Iran, it became evident they had switched from an overt nuclear weapons program to a covert one. But it was still going forward.

    Israel has been and is still fighting a covert war to shut down or at least slow down the program.

    The correct course of action for the USA is too shown our might and also to tighten sanctions even more. Choke the country.

    Riots in Iranian cities are an on going thing, the people are fed up. So make it even worse the them, they will blame the leadership and try to over throw the government. These same people if it becomes a shooting war will line up at recruiting offices to be cannon fodder.
    Instead of covert, why not a real actual war?

    US can’t be Israel’s foreign legion all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by prepare View Post
    What would be the goal and or the win?
    Nothing but debt, death, and a bigger vacuum in SWA

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    Riots in Iranian cities are an on going thing, the people are fed up. So make it even worse the them, they will blame the leadership and try to over throw the government. These same people if it becomes a shooting war will line up at recruiting offices to be cannon fodder.
    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    With the combination of a theocracy and a nuclear weapons program, the sad truth is the world has no choice but to deal with Iran. If anyone here thinks the USA can walk away from the threat that is Iran, your mistaken.

    When your theology craves for the world to be in the throngs of destruction in order to bring your messiah, and you teach children that being suicide bombers is better than becoming doctors, lawyers, business people, cops bus drivers or even mothers and fathers. You then add nuclear weapons to the mix and these people hate the USA, you can't walk away.
    Both of these are important points. A war with Iran won’t be like Iraq. That whole country has been taught to hate America far more than Iraq ever was. I don’t think our COIN strategy is that great to begin with (hard to ever have a good one though) but I do think Iran would turn into a tremendous insurgency fight. And Russia would absolutely get involved.


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    You know a little over 40 years ago they were our best allies and the only people we trusted with F-14s which were a new hotness.

    Pity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    Iran has plans to attack USA targets, in the region and around the world. We have hard intelligence on this and we shared it with the USA.

    Regarding the deal obama made with Iran, my friends father was the Israeli Ambassador to IAEA and he told me that the deal would give Iran the bomb 100%.

    When we took 1000 pounds of documents from Iran, it became evident they had switched from an overt nuclear weapons program to a covert one. But it was still going forward.

    Israel has been and is still fighting a covert war to shut down or at least slow down the program.

    The correct course of action for the USA is too shown our might and also to tighten sanctions even more. Choke the country.

    Riots in Iranian cities are an on going thing, the people are fed up. So make it even worse the them, they will blame the leadership and try to over throw the government. These same people if it becomes a shooting war will line up at recruiting offices to be cannon fodder.
    Israel is the only friend we've got in the region; they understand Iran better than we do. We should be in sync with Israel on a strategy to first starve them out, and if that doesn't work, drive them out with a ground war. I don't like thinking of another long war--I have 1 nephew from the midwest in service and 3 more of draft age. But there is real evil in the world and sometimes it's necessary. Yeah yeah, I know: Who are you to decide what qualifies as 'evil' and a 'just war'? Well, for starters, I think planning to kill me and my countrymen when we haven't personally or directly done anything to harm you, is evil. So there's that. Sitting around and waiting for them to build out their total plan to bring us down is crazy.

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    A country with the capability to produce nuclear power has the capability to become a nuclear power.

    They can increase uranium enrichment from reactor grade to weapons grade.

    They can reprocess waste plutonium.

    So, you can accuse any country with nuclear power of having a potential weapons program.
    Because they do.
    “Where weapons may not be carried, it is well to carry weapons.”

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