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    The Voynich Manuscript has been deciphered

    First some background:

    https://archive.org/details/TheVoynichManuscript

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...t-cracked.html

    The first confirmed owner of the Voynich manuscript was George Baresch, an alchemist from Prague who had mentioned in a letter that he had found it in his library 'taking up his space'.

    He learned that Jesuit scholar Athanasius Kircher, in Rome, had published a Coptic dictionary and claimed to have deciphered the Egyptian hieroglyphs.

    Baresch sent a sample copy of the script to Kircher, asking for clues to reveal what the mysterious manuscript meant.

    It was purchased in 1912 by a Polish-American antiquarian book dealer, named Wilfred Voynich (pictured) (1865–1930), from where it gets its name +20
    It was purchased in 1912 by a Polish-American antiquarian book dealer, named Wilfred Voynich (pictured) (1865–1930), from where it gets its name

    His 1639 letter to Kircher is the earliest confirmed mention of the manuscript that has been found to date.

    Kircher asked for the book, but Baresch would not yield it as he prized owning it over knowing its true meaning.

    Upon Baresch's death, the manuscript passed to his friend Jan Marek Marci, who worked at Charles University in Prague.

    A few years later, Kircher finally got his hands on the book when Marci sent it to him as he was a longtime friend and correspondent.

    When Johannes Marcus sent it to Kircher, they found a letter written on August 19, 1665 or 1666 inside the cover.

    It claims that the book once belonged to Emperor Rudolph II, (1552-1612) who paid 600 gold ducats (about 4.5 pounds of gold) for it.

    The letter was written in Latin and had been translated to English.

    The litany list of previous owners trying to unpick its secrets continues even further, as the manuscript embedded itself further into European folklore.

    The manuscript is also thought to have once been in the possession of 'Jacobj aTepen', or Jakub Horcicky of Tepenec, a medical doctor who lived from 1575-1622 and was known far and wide for his herbal medicinal use.

    No records of the book for the next 200 years have been found, but in all likelihood, it was stored with the rest of Kircher's correspondence in the library of the Collegio Romeo.

    It likely remained there until the troops of Victor Emmanuel II of Italy captured the city in 1870 and annexed the Papal States.

    It was purchased in 1912 by a Polish-American antiquarian book dealer, named Wilfred Voynich (1865–1930), from where it gets its name.

    Alan Turing (pictured), the brilliant mind who spearheaded the campaign to crack the Enigma code at Bletchley Park during the Second World War, attempted to understand it, but found it impenetrable +20
    Alan Turing (pictured), the brilliant mind who spearheaded the campaign to crack the Enigma code at Bletchley Park during the Second World War, attempted to understand it, but found it impenetrable

    His acquisition of the manuscript is different to its previous owners, from whom it was passed from hand to hand.

    According to folklore, he happened upon a trunk that contained the rare manuscript now known as the Voynich manuscript while on an acquisitions trip.

    He had it in his possession until he died, and put it on display to the public for the first time ever in 1915.

    It further etched itself into folklore and the mystery surrounding it deepened form this point onward as its uncrackable code attracted the greatest minds for decades - all trying to uncover its meaning.

    Wilfred subsequently relocated from Europe to New York and, following his death, the manuscript's custodian became his wife Ethel Voynich (1864–1960).

    Following her death the manuscript found its way into the hands of another dealer named Hans P. Kraus (1907–88), who eventually donated it to the Yale library in 1969.

    Alan Turing, the brilliant mind who spearheaded the campaign to crack the Enigma code at Bletchley Park during the Second World War, attempted to understand it, but found it impenetrable.

    Theodore C Peterson, a priest, embarked on the project of making a hand copy of the Voynich manuscript.

    He completed it in 1944 and each page of the replica points out unusual features, which may be of interest in trying yo decipher it, such as odd character sequences and frequently used words.

    He worked on the Voynich until his death and it helped a Danish botanist and zoologist, Theodore Holm of the Catholic University, totentatively identify 16 plant species in the Voynich.

    William Friedman (1891-1969) is remembered as one of the world's foremost cryptologists and became involved with the Voynich in the early 1920s when he corresponded with its namesake.

    During his work, he developed the theory that the Voynich manuscript represented a text in a synthetic language (using or describing inflection).

    It took Research Associate Dr Gerard Cheshire, pictured here, two weeks, using a combination of lateral thinking and ingenuity, to identify the language and writing system of the famously inscrutable document. +20
    It took Research Associate Dr Gerard Cheshire, pictured here, two weeks, using a combination of lateral thinking and ingenuity, to identify the language and writing system of the famously inscrutable document.

    John Tiltman was a British intelligence specialist, working in association with William Friedman.

    Friedman asked Tiltman for his opinion on the Voynich MS text, and sent him copies of the final quire.

    He concluded that the text is far too complicated to be the result of a simple cipher and be the results of applying a standard cipher to some plain text.

    He spent some time discussing the option of a synthetic or 'universal' language as proposed by Friedman.

    The FBI also tried during the Cold War, apparently thinking it may have been Communist propaganda.

    The US National Securities Agency collaborated with German code-breaker Erich Hüttenhain based on the earlier work of British code-breaker John Tiltman because they had a notion that it might contain communist propaganda.

    Ultimately, a consensus emerged: that the manuscript was either impossible to solve or else written in gibberish, as an elaborate practical joke.

    Dr Gerard Cheshire, a researcher at the University of Bristol, worked out that it was written in a dead language - proto-Romance - and then by studying symbols and their descriptions he deciphered the meaning of the letters and words.
    But a linguistics expert from the University of Bristol has now cracked it - and it took him just two weeks.
    Dr Gerard Cheshire worked out that it was written in a dead language - proto-Romance - and then by studying symbols and their descriptions he deciphered the meaning of the letters and words.

    He discovered that the manuscript contains information on herbal remedies, therapeutic bathing and astrological readings about sex, matters of the female mind and parenting.
    It was written in accordance with the Catholic and Roman pagan religious beliefs of the time and has been carbon-dated to around the mid-15th century.

    Dr Cheshire discovered that it was compiled by Dominican nuns as a source of reference for Maria of Castile, Queen of Aragon, who is the great aunt to Catherine of Aragon.
    Also within the manuscript is a foldout illustrative map that helped Dr Cheshire to date and locate the origin of the manuscript.
    'I experienced a series of 'eureka' moments whilst deciphering the code, said Dr Cheshire.

    This, he said, was followed by a sense of 'disbelief and excitement' when he realised the magnitude of the achievement, both in terms of its linguistic importance and the revelations about the origin and content of the manuscript.

    'What it reveals is even more amazing than the myths and fantasies it has generated.
    There is way more at the link than I can copy and paste here. Sorry for the self-indulgent thread. I'm channeling my inner Indiana Jones.

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    Oh cool, it's been deciphered for like the 20th time.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2019...ch-manuscript/
    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

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    if ya like this stuff for fun the white dude with the hat on the left go to 3:05 in the video
    he and I were really good friends with our time in Honduras and still keep in touch

    the whole series is interesting to watch was filmed quite a long time ago so quality is low




    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Ciudad_Blanca
    about half way down under the Late-twentieth-century exploration and speculation
    you will see his name mentioned AKA Ted Danger

    he also had a gold mine in the Mosquitia coast etc.. total modern day Indiana Jones big time
    some insane stories to

    but the search for the white city Ted was well known locally with great connections
    I now he was pissed as heck about the politics of the search and how it was taken over from him by others etc.. he was written out of information and much of it was stolen from him (credit wise and locations and lore etc..) for sure things like exploration are huge and if you are not some scholar type you are written/pushed out etc..
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    Ancient Alien Theorists say yes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bullseye View Post
    Ancient Alien Theorists say yes!
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    If your real name is Ted Danger, you better be a bad ass.

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    Psssh...it's simply a book from an explorer or scout describing the new wonders of America for some king across the pond before it was settled, written in code because such information at that time would be top secret to ensure they could beat others to the spoils. No-one can decode it because the code is probably unique to whoever wrote it and the key was lost when they died.

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