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    Baton, which one

    My son has taken an interest in Batons. Which one to get? Are the pricy ones that much better than the cheaper ones. I bought a cheap pone off Brownells, seems decent.

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    Duty or hobby?

    I used an ASP repeatedly once on a very combative suspect. He told me to "f*ck off", and I broke my hand to pieces in that fight.

    I have since bought a Kogawood Straight Baton and it does the trick.

    For collapsible batons, the Peacekeeper RCB is the minimum that should be carried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag View Post
    Duty or hobby?

    I used an ASP repeatedly once on a very combative suspect. He told me to "f*ck off", and I broke my hand to pieces in that fight.

    I have since bought a Kogawood Straight Baton and it does the trick.

    For collapsible batons, the Peacekeeper RCB is the minimum that should be carried.
    Never thwacked anyone with an ASP or similar, but always amazed at the complete lack of effect when watching vids of their use by LE. I'm sure they hurt, but appear of little value with a person who does not care about some pain, at least where LEOs are authorized to strike people with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Never thwacked anyone with an ASP or similar, but always amazed at the complete lack of effect when watching vids of their use by LE. I'm sure they hurt, but appear of little value with a person who does not care about some pain, at least where LEOs are authorized to strike people with them.
    Like anything, you need to practice - it takes me three times as many hits with a hammer to drive the same nail as someone who does it for a living.

    Most police officers don't practice enough to ingrain good technique. There components of technique at work - hitting someone with an unlocked wrist and letting the baton bounce, versus hitting them with the intent to drive the baton through the appendage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Like anything, you need to practice - it takes me three times as many hits with a hammer to drive the same nail as someone who does it for a living.

    Most police officers don't practice enough to ingrain good technique. There components of technique at work - hitting someone with an unlocked wrist and letting the baton bounce, versus hitting them with the intent to drive the baton through the appendage.
    I imagine where you hit makes a world of difference. Side of knee versus thigh, rib versus bicep, elbow versus shoulder, kidney versus glute.
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    I wonder if we need a "Staff of Learning" picture thread?

    Hmmmm.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWPilgrim View Post
    I imagine where you hit makes a world of difference. Side of knee versus thigh, rib versus bicep, elbow versus shoulder, kidney versus glute.
    Generally, police are trained to strike large muscle mass areas (arms and legs) and avoid joints. The Koga method is the only one I'm familiar with that really used the butt end of the baton to aggressively strike (from the ring techniques), although the PR-24 did use jabs to deflate in conjunction with other techniques. And most riot control formations use a jab to move rioters.

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    Baton, which one

    Peacekeeper is the KAC of batons. X2 there

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    I carried an ASP for years, they work but they’re not as good as 24” of hickory. I was in a Bruce Siddle class where he opined that most average cops were only effective for one or two strikes then things went downhill precipitously. After that there was much flailing and fodder for law suits with little positive effect.

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    In my experience the best batons looks a lot like Streamlight SL-20s.
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