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    Something we forget, it seems, is that, despite having a high percentage of gun ownership, the Swiss have a different view of guns still, as well as a different view of their government. They own their weapons because they're required to as members of the militia. It's a duty in the military, and after military service, it's a privilege, not a right. Their gun ownership is for the defense of the nation, not a defense against internal tyranny. They don't have the American mindset of questioning and challenging authority as a base principle, or the ideal of a government of, by, and for the people. They still think like Europeans: The leaders command and the people obey. Rights are not absolute, and are generally to be seen only as privileges. If the government wishes to disarm the people and restrict rights in the name of the greater good, that is their prerogative, and the people need to remember that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and the sum is greater than the parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    Something we forget, it seems, is that, despite having a high percentage of gun ownership, the Swiss have a different view of guns still, as well as a different view of their government. They own their weapons because they're required to as members of the militia. It's a duty in the military, and after military service, it's a privilege, not a right. Their gun ownership is for the defense of the nation, not a defense against internal tyranny. They don't have the American mindset of questioning and challenging authority as a base principle, or the ideal of a government of, by, and for the people. They still think like Europeans: The leaders command and the people obey. Rights are not absolute, and are generally to be seen only as privileges. If the government wishes to disarm the people and restrict rights in the name of the greater good, that is their prerogative, and the people need to remember that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and the sum is greater than the parts.
    While you're quite right, my feeling is, the Swiss at some point in the future will regret this..Anytime you let the E.U. dictate laws to you, and you go along with it, you as a country are done.. Sorry Switzerland, you just ****ed up.. at first the new laws will be minor, but over time, and as the E.U. make more demands on your country, the laws will get much more stringent..until your gun laws are the exact same as the rest of Europe, meaning permits to own anything, ammo will be strictly rationed, as well as the number of people allowed to own them. And of course storage of all firearms at your local gun club..Easy peasy to find.. After all that, the E.U. will sit back and wait..until a mass shooting comes along, and then the true purpose will be revealed..confscation..
    Last edited by ralph; 05-20-19 at 17:27.
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    Fwiu, EU countries restrict civilian ownership of ‘military’ caliber guns and ammo- that will get interesting in Switzerland...
    The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.

    It's that simple.

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    In other news you can buy an AR15 legally in Brazil now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    In other news you can buy an AR15 legally in Brazil now
    But can you legally buy an IMBEL M964 MD2 in Brazil now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    Fwiu, EU countries restrict civilian ownership of ‘military’ caliber guns and ammo- that will get interesting in Switzerland...
    Most do, but not all. The Czechs are fighting these regulations, too. There is a pretty strong gun-owning community in the Czech Republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance435 View Post
    Most do, but not all. The Czechs are fighting these regulations, too. There is a pretty strong gun-owning community in the Czech Republic.
    The Czech Republic is, next America, one of the most gun friendly countries in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainRaven View Post
    But can you legally buy an IMBEL M964 MD2 in Brazil now?
    You can get a Taurus AR15...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    The Czech Republic is, next America, one of the most gun friendly countries in the world.
    They should buy P07s all day and tell evrrybody making them change laws to BTFO.

    This is all intentional. Disarm you so you MUST accept the rape and crime

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    The Czech Republic is, next America, one of the most gun friendly countries in the world.
    Philippines is pretty good, based only on what I've read. A few Central American countries have decent laws, too. I don't think there's any real comparison to the gun "culture" in the U.S., though. I'm not aware of something akin to 2A rights being enshrined in any other country's constitution, to the extent they even have something like ours. That's why the right to own a firearm is so "foreign" to...foreigners. There's not comparison for them to make.

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