G&R Tactical
Page 8 of 8 FirstFirst ... 678
Results 71 to 78 of 78

Thread: If the Omaha Beach push had failed.....

  1. #71
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    589
    Feedback Score
    0
    The biggest challenge in the Japanese surrender was getting the collapsing government together. The pre-war Japan was a cluster, with the civil government under frequent assaults of the militants. The Prime Minister was murdered in a 1932 coup attempt and other coups were tried throughout the 1930s.

    The crazies stayed around even after Tojo resigned and were greatly feared. Even the Emperor had real issues finding anyone to communicate a surrender and the people so tasked expected to be attacked by their own countrymen. Japan made Nazi Germany look like a sane place - Admiral Yamamoto had to hide out at sea to avoid being murdered prior to Pearl Harbor.

    The expected Russian advance into Manchukuo/Manchuria was the worst fear of the Militarists. Much of the cause of the 1941 war against the US was rooted in the Chinese expansionism. The pending loss of 15 years of wasted China warfare and the occupation of Korea was heaped on top of an attack on the northern islands.

    Whether the US could have reached X-number has some conjecture. The various production lines were working by 1945 but still much was to be refined. The story of the jackassery of the Demon Core shows that experimentation was still the order of the day [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core”]. Certainly the intent was to bomb until all the targets and opposition were eliminated.

  2. #72
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    873
    Feedback Score
    11 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    U.S. Planned to Drop 12 Atomic Bombs on Japan
    [B]

    Interesting - I did not know we had that many ready.
    That is interesting. I always thought we shot our wad with the 2 and that the next ones were a ways off.

  3. #73
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    SE Pennsylvania
    Posts
    662
    Feedback Score
    4 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by sundance435 View Post
    That is interesting. I always thought we shot our wad with the 2 and that the next ones were a ways off.
    This has always been my understanding as well, that we had enough material ready for 3 bombs including the trinity test device. I dont recall how far off other bombs would have been.

    Sent from my SM-J727T using Tapatalk

  4. #74
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    922
    Feedback Score
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Speaking of Japan, some claim it was not the nukes that ended it, but the commies declaring war on them that did it. A combo of both possibly, but had the Japanese wanted to sit there and get nuked into oblivion, I'm sure we could have and would have delivered that too until they either surrendered, or their was no one left to surrender:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-...ersary/6672616

    and

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...-world-war-ii/
    Regardless of why they actually decided to surrender, Hirohito used the atomic bombs as an excuse for ending the war and a way to save face. Also, he got to remain as a figurehead after the war. See his speach to the Japanese people.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...orever/261166/

    https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/hirohito-1
    “It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense.” Mark Twain

  5. #75
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    922
    Feedback Score
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by sgtrock82 View Post
    This has always been my understanding as well, that we had enough material ready for 3 bombs including the trinity test device. I dont recall how far off other bombs would have been.

    Sent from my SM-J727T using Tapatalk
    Some have said dropping the atomic bombs as well as the fire bombing of Dresden was the start of the ocld war as much as the end of WWII, sending a message to the Soviets as to our capabilities.
    “It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense.” Mark Twain

  6. #76
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Tennessee
    Posts
    6,619
    Feedback Score
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Pi3 View Post
    Some have said dropping the atomic bombs as well as the fire bombing of Dresden was the start of the ocld war as much as the end of WWII, sending a message to the Soviets as to our capabilities.
    Sure, there may have been some sublime assertions being made, but make no mistake about the main reasons: Dresden was firebombed for REVENGE (don't blame them, but let's not sugarcoat it), and The Bomb was dropped to prevent another half-million American casualties.
    11C2P '83-'87
    Airborne Infantry

  7. #77
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    922
    Feedback Score
    0
    Yes. A friend was sent to the Pacific right as the war ended. He would have probably died in an invasion of Japan. Instead he was part of the occupation force. He said the Japs were so re leaved that we didnt treat them they way they had treated everyone they had occupied that he had a good time.
    About Dresden, I imagine the Brits were still a little pissed about the bombing of London.
    Last edited by Pi3; 06-18-19 at 19:18.
    “It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense.” Mark Twain

  8. #78
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    23,199
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    Sure, there may have been some sublime assertions being made, but make no mistake about the main reasons: Dresden was firebombed for REVENGE (don't blame them, but let's not sugarcoat it), and The Bomb was dropped to prevent another half-million American casualties.
    Absolutely. If we thought Iwo Jima and Okinawa were bad, we hadn't seen anything yet. Japan was prepared to recall nearly every soldier from Manchuria, China and all other occupations to join with every citizen of Japan in a sacrificial defense of Japan and the Emperor. The realization that we might simply atom bomb and fire bomb them into oblivion without a glorious sacrificial battle is the only thing that brought them to terms, that and the fact that our "unconditional surrender" actually afforded them more than a few considerations such as the pretense that the Emperor was not involved and had no knowledge of any war crimes.

    As for Dresden, yeah not a military target and killing women and children who had no ability to change nazi ideology even if they wanted to is pretty horrible, but war is pretty horrible and it was horrible for women and children in Poland when Germany and Russia decided to rape them mercilessly from both sides, so they earned their Dresden and Hamburg as much as Japan earned their Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Probably the worst war crime of WWII is that Stalin was never charged or made to accept responsibility for his early actions when he was allied with Hitler.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

    كافر

Page 8 of 8 FirstFirst ... 678

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •