H & K financial troubles continue

[jpmuscle]

How does that even work?

I’d like to know how they define “belligerent”


I’m guessing state sponsored deprivations of Liberty are not part of the criterion.


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[SteyrAUG]

Funny how all those HK G3s ended up in African war zones.

[Phillygunguy]

I'd imagine they'll get bought out by some other company. Just hopefully not Cerberus.

Yeah that would be a disaster

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

Maybe some other big wheel arms company like Rheinmetall will just buy up their stuff (probably for cheap when they go bankrupt). They probably have better contacts with top brass anyway.

[docsherm]

I’d like to know how they define “belligerent”


I’m guessing state sponsored deprivations of Liberty are not part of the criterion.


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They are hugging rifles and not assault rifles...... duh.

See, not belligerent at all. They are nice....... it says so in the name.

[sgtrock82]

Funny how the pointy end of every western nations's "spear" nowadays is HK equipped.

Its probably like when a gunshop has a sign stating "Must have license to carry to handle handguns" and only enforcing it when a certain class of buyer appears.

Germany is the Theon Greyjoy of Europe.

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[SteyrAUG]

Maybe some other big wheel arms company like Rheinmetall will just buy up their stuff (probably for cheap when they go bankrupt). They probably have better contacts with top brass anyway.

Not sure RM could handle it. I'd say Steyr but they are the other company that nearly goes bankrupt every 10 years. Last time Royal Small Arms (UK) bought them and that is when all the SA80 updates were done. I remember Fiat was also a potential buyer, as well as Todd Bailey if you remember his famous "threat letter" on HK Pro.

HK was pretty butthurt about being owned by a foreign entity and took great pride in being "German owned" again, but seems to have changed almost nothing to prevent financial troubles from happening again. I realize a lot of their past problems were related to German reuinification and the G11 not being adopted so all those R&D costs were never recouped and then the German economy tanked when they had to pay all the related costs of bringing the DDR into a first world standard of living.

The UK can barely keep their arms makers in black ink so I think they need to follow the SIG example (in concept but without the Cohens) and move more production to HK USA.

[Firefly]

I’m okay with a USA only HK. I’m hoping in a morbid way that HK just being HK never gets Cohen’d.

Cohen is like the noid of guns.

I mean I like their stuff sorta but like not enough to get a Cohen’d gun.

[sundance435]

Not sure RM could handle it. I'd say Steyr but they are the other company that nearly goes bankrupt every 10 years. Last time Royal Small Arms (UK) bought them and that is when all the SA80 updates were done. I remember Fiat was also a potential buyer, as well as Todd Bailey if you remember his famous "threat letter" on HK Pro.

HK was pretty butthurt about being owned by a foreign entity and took great pride in being "German owned" again, but seems to have changed almost nothing to prevent financial troubles from happening again. I realize a lot of their past problems were related to German reuinification and the G11 not being adopted so all those R&D costs were never recouped and then the German economy tanked when they had to pay all the related costs of bringing the DDR into a first world standard of living.

Why do you think Rheinmetall couldn't handle it? Nexter would also be a logical choice, since they own KMW. But yeah, no way a German company, or a company with strong German ties (Nexter) doesn't own HK. If nothing else, no foreign entity would want to deal with the hypocritical bureaucratic nightmare of being an arms manufacturer in Germany.

[jsbhike]

Why do you think Rheinmetall couldn't handle it? Nexter would also be a logical choice, since they own KMW. But yeah, no way a German company, or a company with strong German ties (Nexter) doesn't own HK. If nothing else, no foreign entity would want to deal with the hypocritical bureaucratic nightmare of being an arms manufacturer in Germany.

I was thinking per a Vickers video(or Forgotten Weapons?), Rheinmetall had some sort of agreement where they made crew served weapons for the German military while Hk made personal weapons?

I don't know if companies would worry about any kind of no sales to private citizens rules (if that is in fact German law) either considering all of the companies that do (or attempt to do) that on their own initiative without any legal entanglements. Aimpoint and .gov PRO's a few years back come to mind internationally. US companies frequently do it/have done it as well. Ammo makers (type of and/or quantities of ammo) and Remington shotguns and rifles are just 2 instances coming to mind currently engaging in the practice. Historically there was Ruger on magazines and mini 14 GB sales, Colt punishing NFA dealers for selling pre 86 M16's to private citizens, and even 1990's Redfield scopes had a scope line listed in Jerry's Sport Center distributor catalog as being for .gov sales only.

I don't get why many in the firearms industry wish to give their majority customers the Jim Crow get your food out back/drink out of that bucket treatment while bending over backwards for the minority .gov customers, but that is quite common.