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[pinzgauer]

We could make the straits "safe" very quickly if desired. If Iran is found to be hosting, sheltering, or even tolerating combatants, Just announce we will be taking out combatants and any non international traffic. (IE small boats trying to mine, etc)

Essentially make it a no fly zone except for valid shipping traffic.

Europe would have strong vested interest to help, are more dependent on middle East wall than we are currently.

Drone some bad guys, or ones like the bad guys. Regular aircraft patrols. Put an awacs near (or surface tracking equiv). Lock that place down.

Decades ago we had systems that were tracking every bit of Maritime traffic greater than 50-100 ft. who they were, where they were going, country of origin, etcetera. You know it's only gotten better.

[sundance435]

Why are we still buying oil from the ME? Have we started drilling in the ANWAR yet? Supposedly enough oil reserves there to where we would be completely self sufficient and have a surplus for 100+ years.

We could be self sufficient now without even touching ANWR, but that's not how the international oil market works. There are large parts of this country floating sitting on seas of oil, thanks to advances in fracking. If we were serious about being self sufficient, we'd be building new refineries and retrofitting existing ones.

[Doc Safari]

Just so you won't run out of things to worry about (you're welcome ) :

https://israelunwired.com/iranian-ba...ng-in-the-u-s/

US Intelligence officials and security experts recently testified in Congress about the existence of Iranian terrorist “sleeper cells” operating within the United States.

The US Congressional Security Committee recently held a hearing focused on the threat of Iranian terrorist networks in the US just waiting to receive orders to act.

The experts warned that Iran is able to attack America, and American interests, at any time. Iran has sleeper cells in the United States. In addition, they have a proxy arm in Lebanon, the Hezbollah, with an active terror presence in Latin American countries.

Back in 2003, former CIA director George Tenet declared that there were 12 Hezbollah cells operating in the US. Since this was 15 years ago, it is very likely that many more have been established since then.

According to Rep. Peter King (R., N.Y.), a member of the House Homeland Security Committee and chair of its subcommittee on counterterrorism and intelligence, Iran poses “a direct threat to the homeland.”

A chief concern is “Iranian support for Hezbollah. They are “active in the Middle East, Latin America, and here in the U.S. That is where Hezbollah operatives have been arrested for activities conducted in our own country,” King said. He referred to the recent arrest of two individuals who plotted terror attacks in New York City and Michigan.

“Both individuals received significant weapons training from Hezbollah,” King said. “It is clear Hezbollah has the will and capability.”

“They are as good or better at explosive devices than ISIS. They are better at assassinations and developing assassination cells,” said Michael Pregent. He is a former intelligence officer who worked to counter Iranian influence in the region. “They’re better at targeting, better at looking at things.” They can outsource attacks to Hezbollah.

“Hezbollah is smart,” Pregent said. “They’re very good at keeping their communications secure, and keeping their operational security secure. Again, from a high profile attack perspective, they’d be good at improvised explosive devices.”

Others testifying before Congress agreed with this assessment.

“The answer is absolutely. We do face a threat,” said Emanuele Ottolenghi, a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies who has long tracked Iran’s militant efforts. “Their networks are present in the United States.”

At Iran’s IRGC Quds Force specialist camps, they train the sleepers. There, they master the art of how to penetrate civilian groups. They are also taught how to recruit volunteers to aid their cause. In their host countries, they would also have easy access to automatic weapons and explosives. They can get these via criminal gangs who deal with drug smuggling, people smuggling and arms trafficking operations.

My take: Does anybody still want to laugh this off?

[1168]

We have a highly petro dependent military. Such as turbine powered tanks. And every time you hear that noise on Bagram, thats an E-4’s monthly base pay in fuel being turned into noise in the first minute of takeoff. Then those mofos have to stay on station.

We do not want to be the first asshole on the block to run out. We’ll burn through other nation’s stash instead.

[jpmuscle]

Just so you won't run out of things to worry about (you're welcome ) :

https://israelunwired.com/iranian-ba...ng-in-the-u-s/











My take: Does anybody still want to laugh this off?

Yes because nothings changed


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[Firefly]

A lot of people agree with you on this. I used to have a lot of respect for the guy, especially when he seemed to be the 'hawk' and no one else was. Lately, however, I've read a lot of material that suggests he's a little too eager to go to war, or that the only tool he has is a hammer.

He’s senile and bought and paid for and thus is dangerous

[glocktogo]

Those of you more interested in being smart asses than in actually contributing useful comments or in keeping up with world events, I offer to do your homework for you:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...n-tensions-spt

https://www.theweek.co.uk/92967/are-...ds-world-war-3

(I realize that article is from May, but that was before the current escalation).

This article lists the Middle East as just one place World War 3 could break out. No, by itself the conflict with Iran may not lead to another word war, but you cannot take all this in isolation. Iran is just one flashpoint in a growing set of intertwined tensions among the superpowers of the world. This article sort of sums it up:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...art-2019-39372

A war with Iran could result in them launching attacks all over the world:

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2...uld-look-like/

I say this leads to other countries entering the conflict on both sides. A war with Iran might embolden China in the Pacific, not to mention the Russians wanting to protect their interests in the middle east. Yeah, maybe it won't happen. But maybe it will. I wonder if the people in 1936 were joking that we would never have another war like the "War to End All Wars."

I'm sorry Doc, but did you really just link The National Interest? Then you doubled down by posting quotes from little Peter "The Sky is Falling" King?You're not doing your theory any favors posting stuff like that.

Simply put, Iran is no threat to the United States. If they're a threat to anyone it's Israel and non-theocratic or Sunni governments in the Gulf region, mostly through directed proxy attacks by terrorists. If it turns out this isn't a false flag set of attacks and some faction in Iran is responsible, it wouldn't result in WWIII. At most it would be a kerfuffle that lasted less time than the 1st Gulf War, with a lot less resources expended to put them in their place.

Iran isn't al-Qaeda. They have far too much to loose to set about sleeper cell attacks inside the US. That would expose them to total war that would make the Iraq war look like child's play. They would no longer have a Navy about 2 hours in. The IRGC wouldn't have any command and control left by the time the sun rose the next day.

Can Iran be irksome? Sure. But a real deal global threat? Not even remotely.

[Firefly]

Piggybacking sorta on glocktogo..

At one point Iran was friendly to the US and was the unironic, uncucked California of SWA. Ayatollah aside, what happened here and why can we not go back?

[Doc Safari]

I thought National Interest was a legit source. I think the threat level to the US is more in 1) causing oil prices to drastically rise, 2) dragging Israel and therefore the rest of the Muslim hordes into a wider war, and 3) activating terror cells in the US. I actually think Iran would attempt to set off dirty bombs in the US as its main tactic.

I don't think they could go head-to-head with us militarily of course.

[glocktogo]

I thought National Interest was a legit source. I think the threat level to the US is more in 1) causing oil prices to drastically rise, 2) dragging Israel and therefore the rest of the Muslim hordes into a wider war, and 3) activating terror cells in the US. I actually think Iran would attempt to set off dirty bombs in the US as its main tactic.

I don't think they could go head-to-head with us militarily of course.

That would be a resounding no on 1); a definite yes on 2) (though to be fair it has more to do with histrionic commodity traders than actual supply issues); a possible maybe on 3); and a never in a million years on 4) (we would literally turn Persia into the world's largest glass bauble if they tried to do that)