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    Quote Originally Posted by OH58D View Post
    No one takes that little idiot governor serious. She was the guest speaker at New Mexico Military Institute's graduation on May 18th and one new 2nd Lieutenant received his diploma from her, shook her hand and whispered "Snowflake" to her. She had lost all credibility when she was referring to the new commissioned 2LT's in the New Mexico National Guard as Lieutenant Colonels.
    Way to be an officer and a gentleman.

    I imagine the governor was well aware that she wasn't held in high regard and likely didn't want to be there. The young 2LT probably more firmly cemented whatever misconceptions she may have had about NMMI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    I have a theory about female politicians that is horridly sexist but I shall share.

    I feel like...like...when you are paid and expected to be in a position of power you have to become the hugest and most miserable bitch you can possibly be. Constantly ballbusting, constantly overstepping boundaries of decorum, and constantly being a loudmouth and overbearing because deep down, no matter what....you are still this timid, insecure, and self conscious girl inside who wants a good life and wants so desperately for a man to put her in check but knows if she does the jig is up and the ride ends. Its a curse.

    I know a LOT of lesbians who say they would love to bond with a man for a while physically and emotionally but cant because of peer pressure even though all the other lesbians want men too but they are all trapped except for the dumptruck looking bulls who just had no chance anyways.

    I think people forget sometimes that when women have it easy, they have it really easy but when they have it hard, they really have it hard
    Fly, Fly, Fly, you old misogynist, you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Way to be an officer and a gentleman.

    I imagine the governor was well aware that she wasn't held in high regard and likely didn't want to be there. The young 2LT probably more firmly cemented whatever misconceptions she may have had about NMMI.
    I agree with your sentiments on proper military bearing, yet there is a classist bent here in NM that comes only from the arrogance of deep seated old money untouchables. Such a divide between those who serve their fellows by choice and those who see the same fellows as servants brings us full circle to this example of conduct unbecoming. While her ire and disdain might be felt short term, I doubt any one here who has a real say gives a second thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcC View Post
    I read your link, and not to get off track, why didnt the president just veto it? Was it because they could override?
    I'll add, was the president backed into a corner?
    When FOPA came along Reagan didn't have a line item veto and he didn't have a majority Congress. FOPA was all or nothing and the alternative was the Rodino / Hughes bill that would have closed the registry without any of the benefits of FOPA.

    From 1968 to 1986 some version of FOPA had been attempted to try and undo the worst parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act and this was the first time a version actually made it to the desk of a President and the NRA told him to sign it. Certainly Bush 41 or Clinton would not have signed it and not even sure Bush 43 would have signed it and that is assuming it made it to his desk.

    Hughes and Rodino were pushing hard and in a way few today could understand, it was much more than Feinsten and Boxer because it was so much easier to demonize ACTUAL machine guns and Reagan knew it. Even the NRA at the time viewed machine gun owners as a "outlaw biker contingent" of the NRA that didn't represent the image they wanted to put forward.

    So Reagan had a option A that grandfathered the registry as well as putting in place many safeguards for collectors and removing some of the worst parts of the 1968 GCA or Option B that simply closed the registry and rendered everything non transferable starting in 1986. So those last owners of machine guns, suppressors, SBRs, SBSs and AOWs would have been the last lawful owners and upon their death those items would have to be surrendered to the ATF.

    Reagan didn't feel like gambling and he didn't want to be the President that "flooded the streets with legal machine guns." Every single President since Reagan could have requested a bill that would reopen the registry but so far no takers and there will be unlikely to be any in the future.

    Reagan wasn't perfect, and I have a laundry list of things where I completely disagree with him from the first poorly thought out amnesty of illegals, many of his economic policies, his desire to fight commies in south America being so strong that he facilitated arms to Iran and even though he was out of office and possibly subjected to the first stages of Alzheimers, his voiced support of the Brady Bill.

    But FOPA was a hard call and I think it was the right one. That said, if anyone comes along and strikes the "sporter clause" from the 68 GCA and removes the regulatory provision to close the registry and all my machine guns simply become used machine guns not worth much more than post samples, I'll gladly take the financial hit.

    Because of FOPA, we might actually be able to do that one day. We get the "sporter clause" and we can open the registry again.
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    The recent Sinaloa cartel Sicario’s thread maybe we just take those folks and point them to the anti-gunners and let the two lovely sides meet
    Most of the left the anti-gunners love those kind of wonderful people

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    Quote Originally Posted by OH58D View Post
    Regarding New Mexico's governor, Lujan-Grisham's family has been on this land for 12 generations, the same 400+ years like my family. The Lujans are all idiots. We know them well. They spent time on the Canary Islands before they made their way this part of the world, and most of the old families in New Mexico think they are inbred - tard marrying other tards. They're all dwarfs who remind many here of an old comedian by the name of Professor Irwin Corey. For the younger ones here, look him up.

    No one takes that little idiot governor serious. She was the guest speaker at New Mexico Military Institute's graduation on May 18th and one new 2nd Lieutenant received his diploma from her, shook her hand and whispered "Snowflake" to her. She had lost all credibility when she was referring to the new commissioned 2LT's in the New Mexico National Guard as Lieutenant Colonels.
    Some dude here in KY was running for office so they had him on the radio for Memorial Day, Armistice Day, or something the station made up since he adored the military and all who had served.

    They had him recognizing local vets and he did ok with Privates and maybe 1 Captain when written out. The majority were P V T John Smith, S G T Bob Wilson, and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    When FOPA came along Reagan didn't have a line item veto and he didn't have a majority Congress. FOPA was all or nothing and the alternative was the Rodino / Hughes bill that would have closed the registry without any of the benefits of FOPA.

    From 1968 to 1986 some version of FOPA had been attempted to try and undo the worst parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act and this was the first time a version actually made it to the desk of a President and the NRA told him to sign it. Certainly Bush 41 or Clinton would not have signed it and not even sure Bush 43 would have signed it and that is assuming it made it to his desk.

    Hughes and Rodino were pushing hard and in a way few today could understand, it was much more than Feinsten and Boxer because it was so much easier to demonize ACTUAL machine guns and Reagan knew it. Even the NRA at the time viewed machine gun owners as a "outlaw biker contingent" of the NRA that didn't represent the image they wanted to put forward.

    So Reagan had a option A that grandfathered the registry as well as putting in place many safeguards for collectors and removing some of the worst parts of the 1968 GCA or Option B that simply closed the registry and rendered everything non transferable starting in 1986. So those last owners of machine guns, suppressors, SBRs, SBSs and AOWs would have been the last lawful owners and upon their death those items would have to be surrendered to the ATF.

    Reagan didn't feel like gambling and he didn't want to be the President that "flooded the streets with legal machine guns." Every single President since Reagan could have requested a bill that would reopen the registry but so far no takers and there will be unlikely to be any in the future.

    Reagan wasn't perfect, and I have a laundry list of things where I completely disagree with him from the first poorly thought out amnesty of illegals, many of his economic policies, his desire to fight commies in south America being so strong that he facilitated arms to Iran and even though he was out of office and possibly subjected to the first stages of Alzheimers, his voiced support of the Brady Bill.

    But FOPA was a hard call and I think it was the right one. That said, if anyone comes along and strikes the "sporter clause" from the 68 GCA and removes the regulatory provision to close the registry and all my machine guns simply become used machine guns not worth much more than post samples, I'll gladly take the financial hit.

    Because of FOPA, we might actually be able to do that one day. We get the "sporter clause" and we can open the registry again.
    Was he ever lobbying for the repeal of any anti gun laws?

    Did he ever veto any anti gun bills?

    What are the penalties for ignoring FOPA other than the machine gun ban segment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Way to be an officer and a gentleman.

    I imagine the governor was well aware that she wasn't held in high regard and likely didn't want to be there. The young 2LT probably more firmly cemented whatever misconceptions she may have had about NMMI.
    I was in the audience - there were 25 new 2LT's and you should have heard the roar when she call them all Lieutenant Colonels. Only four of that group were being assigned to the New Mexico National Guard. That new 2LT who whispered "Snowflake" to her is being assigned to the 10th Mountain Division as an Infantry Officer. Lujan-Grisham was so stupid it didn't even register in that idiotic head of hers. She's really that dumb. Her whole commencement speech was just a litany of identity politics issues and social justice crap. The leaders of the school seemed uncomfortable with it, the audience was getting a little irate.
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    I'm hoping the ill-will Grisham got over the migrant crisis has expended her political capItal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-gnARR View Post
    I agree with your sentiments on proper military bearing, yet there is a classist bent here in NM that comes only from the arrogance of deep seated old money untouchables. Such a divide between those who serve their fellows by choice and those who see the same fellows as servants brings us full circle to this example of conduct unbecoming. While her ire and disdain might be felt short term, I doubt any one here who has a real say gives a second thought.
    You certainly understand New Mexico. That class bent here can be divided into two groups - old money, multi-generational families, and little money, multi-generational families. My family's 12 generations here fits somewhere in the middle. We know the Lujans and they know who we are, and we share nothing politically.

    That new hard charging 2LT Infantry Officer looked like he was shaking hands with a dwarf compared to his taller than 6 ft frame, and he made his remark with a big smile on his face, while the governor was grinning big as well. I think my wife may have a photo of that encounter.
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