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    Offset irons, offset red dot, or invest in new mount?

    I have an SPR/DMR build I really enjoy but my BUIS is basically unusable if the time came for it as the mounting hardware for my 2.5-10 is not QD. Should I invest in a LaRue QD, or some offset Irons or a red dot like an RMR or deltapoint? I’m conflicted on which will give me the best bang for my buck.


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    Just buy some magpul offsets. Make sure your lower will accept them. Some fancy Vltor etc sometimes won't work.

    The RMR is nice but expensive with mount

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    Offset irons for me. Dueck Defense was the first pair I've owned, but I like the folding Magpuls.

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    I like Griffin Armament offset sight (https://www.griffinarmament.com/m2-s...eployment-kit/) you can configure them as regular and as an offset sight.

    For purely offset sights it's hard to beat KAC: https://www.knightarmco.com/12642/sh...-kit-300-meter

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    Quote Originally Posted by alx01 View Post
    I like Griffin Armament offset sight (https://www.griffinarmament.com/m2-s...eployment-kit/) you can configure them as regular and as an offset sight.

    For purely offset sights it's hard to beat KAC: https://www.knightarmco.com/12642/sh...-kit-300-meter
    I dont have offset, but I love my KAC micros. I also would vote for the KAC sights.

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    I prefer offset irons as humidity / fogging optics can be a big issue down south. So if my RDS / Scope is fogged over, so will an offset RDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chef8489 View Post
    I dont have offset, but I love my KAC micros. I also would vote for the KAC sights.
    It sounds like you may know what I went through. Follow me here.

    I started with A2 irons and thought they were great. But then I saw KAC rear sights and went ballistic. They were hitting distant targets and the pedestal design was so out of the way and cool. But then I bent under the optics peer pressure. I began to think I was missing something without a red dot or magnified optic. So I got a 2.5X P.A. prism. It was great for identifying targets at maybe 75-200 yards and making great shots at that distance. The QD American Defense mount held zero and I didn't have to even turn on the electronics using the black reticle. But it was heavy--about a pound all together. I wanted something lighter for home defense in the basement and around the house. I got a Sig Romeo 3. It came with a QD mount. It was "shake-awake" and was said to have a great battery life. It lasted two months, was only really effective to 50 yards, the battery died after two months, and the QD detachable mount did not hold zero. But, never fear, I was told that for a pound of weight, I could get a LPVO, 1-4x or 1-6X or 1-8X. This would let me identify threats and long distance and yet work close up. I began to research this and quickly found that close up these didn't work as well as you would think. People talked about "getting lost in the scope" at long range. Quick transitions with targets of previously of unknown position looked incredibly hard. In other words looking for targets, two eyes open, was harder. Moving targets were essentially out altogether. But there was a solution: offset iron sights.

    Was I going around in circles? A2 irons were not as fast as a red dot, prisms were great in their range of operation but not that great outside it, red dots do fail and are not that accurate outside their envelope, LPVO were great at long range and identifying the target but sucked close and for moving targets, but offset irons are just irons and I was back at square one.

    About this time while researching LPVO, I came across Ultradyne Iron Sights. This is a new system. It is light but expensive, $330.00. This solved my problem. They were irons in my basement and close up, they were faster than A2 sights and much more accurate, they allowed me to shoot further than the prism, my first time out with them I hit a steel target at 375 yards. They were perhaps not quite as fast as a red dot but they were more accurate. No, they don't allow me to identify a threat like a LPVO. But let's look at this a moment. I am not going to be shooting at anyone at 400 yards UNLESS they shoot at me first. At 400 yards we are not talking self-defense. But if someone is shooting at me from 400 yards, at this point, I don't need to identify them, they are simply a threat/enemy and the Ultradyne sights can make them think twice about a second shot even if I do not hit them outright.

    The Ultradyne sights are second best everywhere but that is a better average than any of these other systems----and they are light. For those of us not deploying to Afghanistan or in other specialized situations, a generalized sighting system may be an advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alx01 View Post
    I like Griffin Armament offset sight (https://www.griffinarmament.com/m2-s...eployment-kit/) you can configure them as regular and as an offset sight.

    For purely offset sights it's hard to beat KAC: https://www.knightarmco.com/12642/sh...-kit-300-meter
    I like the Griffin Armament Fail Safe
    https://www.griffinarmament.com/fail-safe-angle-sights/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pappabear View Post
    Just buy some magpul offsets. Make sure your lower will accept them. Some fancy Vltor etc sometimes won't work.

    The RMR is nice but expensive with mount

    PB
    Yeah RMR’s are fantastic I just hate the cost.


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    Offset RMR for me. Very usable package. Only downside is the cost.

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