Help label Antifa a domestic terrorist organization

[Dienekes]

Signed. However I agree that nothing much will be done until there are deaths and the optics are horrific.

I spent too much time in that Portland dung heap to expect actual pushback.

On September 24, 1957, President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed Executive Order 10730. The order federalized the 10,000 member Arkansas National Guard (taking it out of the hands of Faubus) and ordered the Secretary of Defense to employ the Arkansas soldiers as well as federal troops to enforce a federal district court order in Little Rock, Arkansas. Within hours 1,000 soldiers of the 327th Airborne Battle Group of the 101st Airborne Division deployed to Little Rock from their base in Fort Campbell, Kentucky. That evening, from the White House, the president delivered a nationally televised address in which he explained that he had taken the action to defend the rule of law and prevent “mob rule” and “anarchy.” (Operation Arkansas)

[jsbhike]

So what happens when a petition is created and meets the signature count to label gun owners as a terrorist group?

I’ll skip the petition......

You might want to look at copies of those fusion center reports floating around. No petition was necessary.

[Nightvisionary]

This petition is useless. The writing is on the wall and is quite clear. Antifa will never be declared a terrorist organization. On the contrary Antifa is going to win this fight. They are the S.A. Brown shirts of the American Communists/Socialist movement. They have been quite successful in Europe and Germany in particular over the last 30 years and are still a legally operating organization over there. They organize, they are active, and they aren't afraid to mix it up on the street and go to jail. In short they are far more dedicated to their beliefs than we are to ours. The other side doesn't limit themselves to bold "We should" posts on the internet and facebook likes or shares. They are willing to get off the couch and force people to take notice. From what I have seen here in Portland they are quick to adapt to street violence so don't think they aren't able to do what it takes to adapt in other areas through training.

On Monday there was a small scale riot downtown, four blocks from my wifes office. The Portland Proud Boys obtained a city permit to hold some type of gathering at the waterfront. Antifa showed up with masks, helmets, and melee weapons to "Protest" without obtaining a permit yet the right wing groups were judged either responsible or equally responsible by the media and the head of the Portland Police Union as he made excuses as to why officers are "Powerless" to enforce Oregon law.

In Arizona Antifa has organized a group of Armed "Water Droppers" that operate near the border supplying food and water to illegal aliens and cartel dope mules. Unfortunately for us these guy have the dedication and long term vision to win this while we wring our collective hands from behind a keyboard signing meaningless petitions to get the deep state to label left wing organizations as domestic terrorists. The whole idea just shows how lost and out of touch with reality our side has become.

[223to45]

This petition is useless. The writing is on the wall and is quite clear. Antifa will never be declared a terrorist organization. On the contrary Antifa is going to win this fight. They are the S.A. Brown shirts of the American Communists/Socialist movement. They have been quite successful in Europe and Germany in particular over the last 30 years and are still a legally operating organization over there. They organize, they are active, and they aren't afraid to mix it up on the street and go to jail. In short they are far more dedicated to their beliefs than we are to ours. The other side doesn't limit themselves to bold "We should" posts on the internet and facebook likes or shares. They are willing to get off the couch and force people to take notice. From what I have seen here in Portland they are quick to adapt to street violence so don't think they aren't able to do what it takes to adapt in other areas through training.

On Monday there was a small scale riot downtown, four blocks from my wifes office. The Portland Proud Boys obtained a city permit to hold some type of gathering at the waterfront. Antifa showed up with masks, helmets, and melee weapons to "Protest" without obtaining a permit yet the right wing groups were judged either responsible or equally responsible by the media and the head of the Portland Police Union as he made excuses as to why officers are "Powerless" to enforce Oregon law.

In Arizona Antifa has organized a group of Armed "Water Droppers" that operate near the border supplying food and water to illegal aliens and cartel dope mules. Unfortunately for us these guy have the dedication and long term vision to win this while we wring our collective hands from behind a keyboard signing meaningless petitions to get the deep state to label left wing organizations as domestic terrorists. The whole idea just shows how lost and out of touch with reality our side has become.

Looks like the are putting armed groups together.

https://psjbgc.org/

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[Nightvisionary]

Looks like the are putting armed groups together.

https://psjbgc.org/

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And if you did a little deeper into their parent organization you will find that they are another communist front group.

Dear friends,

In addition to being a proud chapter of the Redneck Revolt network, we’d like to state our affiliation with the newly formed West Coast Community Defense.

Together, in alliance with Desert Workers Collective, PDX Armed Against Hate, and Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club, we announce that we have committed to a partnership to aid each other in abolishing fascism, white supremacy, anti-LGBTQ+ hate, misogyny, Islamophobia, and bigotry of all types. This alliance, called West Coast Community Defense: WCCD (pronounced wicked), is a partnership of armed community defense organizations and was born from the understanding that hate groups are not just a local phenomenon, but often travel far and wide to attack our communities. In the face of increasingly widespread organized bigotry by the far-right, networking with like-minded folk is crucial to defending our neighborhoods, loved ones, and places of worship. Recognizing that our struggles are intimately connected, we will provide mutual aid to each other when needed.

As guidelines for our organizing, West Coast Community Defense has agreed to follow and abide by the Torch Network’s Points of Unity as our own:

We disrupt fascist and far-right organizing and activity.

We don’t rely on the cops or courts to do our work for us. This doesn’t mean we never go to court, but the cops uphold white supremacy and the status quo. They attack us and everyone who resists oppression. We must rely on ourselves to protect ourselves and stop the fascists.

We oppose all forms of oppression and exploitation. We intend to do the hard work necessary to build a broad, strong movement of oppressed people centered on the working class against racism, sexism, nativism, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, and discrimination against the disabled, the oldest, the youngest, and the most oppressed people. We support abortion rights and reproductive freedom. We want a classless, free society. We intend to win!

We hold ourselves accountable personally and collectively to live up to our ideals and values.

We not only support each other within the network, but we also support people outside the network who we believe have similar aims or principles. An attack on one is an attack on all.

In solidarity,

Desert Workers’ Collective (desertworkerscollective@protonmail.com)

PDX Armed Against Hate (contact@pdxarmed.org)

Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club (psjbgc@protonmail.com)

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I just don't see a win for our side on this. The are committed and active while our side is apathetic and paralyzed. All the weapons and training are meaningless if there is no will.

[223to45]

And if you did a little deeper into their parent organization you will find that they are another communist front group.





I just don't see a win for our side on this. The are committed and active while our side is apathetic and paralyzed. All the weapons and training are meaningless if there is no will.

That is because we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves.

This group doesn't like that group, because they bought xxx brand,

Or hunters and shotgun club people dont like semiautomatic gun owners.

Or dozens of other scenarios.

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[The_War_Wagon]

" Now hear this. Now hear this. Soy Team 6, Your fathers are asking your presence at the dinner table. Your "Beefaroni" and chocolate milk are ready."

Normally I follow the old adage of "Never underestimate your opponent. Regardless of size and/or appearance." But in this case, I'll definitely make an exception. All I need to do is ask a few Girl Scouts to take care of these yahoos. In return I'll buy a few more boxes of "Samoas"! "Problem solved, problem staying solved. GSA lead the way."

NO arguments there, but I sure as shiite AIN'T losin' sleep over these dodo's either. Label 'em terrorists - put 'em out of business - what have you... but if saw a gaggle of them coming down the street, I'm sure not gonna run, hide, & quiver over THESE guys...

[Nightvisionary]

That is because we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves.

This group doesn't like that group, because they bought xxx brand,

Or hunters and shotgun club people dont like semiautomatic gun owners.

Or dozens of other scenarios.

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Respectfully I have to disagree with you. The left is as fragmented as the right is on political issues. It's not that were are fighting amongst ourselves, it's that were aren't fighting at all. Unlike the left, we simply are not willing to put forth any time, effort, and sacrifice to push back where it really counts. Many of us here are vets and wrote that blank check at one time or another but that's not going to be enough. Our side is guilty of extreme hubris and it shows even in this thread. The fact that so many people think that these guys can't win is going to be our downfall and sharing internet memes won't stop it from happening. History has shown time and again that this kind of thinking is wrong. Hubris was present when the Kuomintang lost China, the French lost Indochina, Bautista lost Cuba, and Clinton lost to Trump. We can't afford it.

[SteyrAUG]

So just remember, according to the SPLC the Family Research Council is a hate group but Antifa is not.

Why doesn't the SPLC list antifa as a hate group?

The SPLC condemns violence in all its forms, including the violent acts of far-left street movements like antifa (short for anti-fascist). But the propensity for violence, though present in many hate groups, is not among the criteria for listing. Also, antifa groups do not promote hatred based on race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation or gender identity (see criteria above).

Sadly the SPLC is frequently seen as some kind of "subject matter expert" by the government when it comes to these issues.

[ralph]

Myself I think that once Antifa starts killing people, they are going to lose support..it's one thing to beat people up, it's another thing entirely to start commiting murder.. Once Antifa crosses that threshold, those politicans who support them, are going to be forced into a corner..you either support them, and murder of political opposition, or you don't.. With the elections coming up next year, the shitshow in Antifa strongholds on the left coast, should be interesting to watch...