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Thread: More malarkey from the atf about braces and OAL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_Point_Five_Six View Post
    According to an acquaintance of mine who's a FFL Type 07, the info he was given as far as braces, VFGs, and measuring OAL is that fully extended is how you measure a rifle/sbr. There is no official way to measure a pistol, so shortest configuration is what was recommended to him by someone at the ATF. That means with the muzzle device removed unless it's pinned and welded, measured from the end of the barrel to the end of the receiver extension. He was also told that if using a Law folder or extended receiver extension like an A5, that the last one or two notches on the receiver extension should be JB Weld'd or permanently plugged so the LOP doesn't exceed 13.5".

    For reference:

    A 10.5" will not meet the 26" requirement to run a VFG.

    An 11.5" may or may not make 26".

    An 11.5" with an A5 setup will meet 26".

    I realize I didn't bring any clarity to the matter and probably made things worse, but it goes to show the ambiguity surrounding braced AR/AK pistols. That's why I'm a firm believer in SBR'ing everything except one pistol with a brace, no VFG, and maintaining the LOP at 13.5" or less, if you want to have one that is travel friendly and able to be transported loaded in a vehicle(if your state prohibits loaded rifles in vehicles, mine does).
    This may be new to some, but this has been the way they've been telling Type 07's to measure for some time now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flenna View Post
    I used to deal a lot with OSHA and I would say the ATF is similar- if you write and ask if something is illegal the immediate response is almost always “yes”. Even if the correct answer should probably be “no”.
    agreed

    The guy writing the letter is going to just Cover His Ass! And he / she will say ILLEGAL_DONT DO IT_ NO_CANT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    No ones ever been in my house measuring OAL.

    Why you guys inviting the man in to check?
    Cause these stupid MFers have a deathwish. Just like the retarded liberals inviting unvetted immigration from terrorist nations. None of this $#!t makes any sense to me.
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    But does this now mean that a pistol with a LAW folder hinge and a RE don’t count as to LOP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar da Wolf View Post
    But does this now mean that a pistol with a LAW folder hinge and a RE don’t count as to LOP?
    Since the LAW is considered "Unsafe To Fire When Folded"... then again, this is Feral Gov in general and F Troop in particular we're talking about, zero common sense, logic or intelligence to be had there.
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    Omg can we stop this nonsense?

    Do you guys think antifa gives a damn about compliance ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jpmuscle View Post
    Omg can we stop this nonsense?

    Do you guys think antifa gives a damn about compliance ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBigBR View Post
    The majority of cops don't know the nuances of these laws and the majority of those that do, don't care. Not a good "Plan A" for staying out of trouble, but it's a fact.

    I could not have summed it up better.

    I can't wait to put in my papers so as not to be a part of what things have turned into. This country is a travesty of what the constitution created.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 556BlackRifle View Post
    Cause these stupid MFers have a deathwish. Just like the retarded liberals inviting unvetted immigration from terrorist nations. None of this $#!t makes any sense to me.
    Oh that shit made me laugh my ass off. Mic drop after that.

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    Help a brother understand, I know what constitutes an SBR from a less than 16 inches.

    Somebody bullet point this situation with overall length etc. My understanding is if its under 16 inches and you have a brace, your good to go.

    what else is there ?

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