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    Quote Originally Posted by OH58D View Post
    Britannia doesn't rule the waves any longer, with less than 25 ships in their Navy, and about half fit for duty without a full compliment of sailors. I listened to the audio of the exchange between the Iranians and HMS Montrose - it was like the British ship was advising the Persian Pirates to not do anything illegal, while their flagged tanker was being escorted away. With weak allies like that, who needs them.
    Perhaps they're now happy to do what many of our "allies" do, let us foot the bill and do the heavy lifting.
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    Is anyone ever surprised by this behavior?
    The government in Iran took our embassy and hostages and held them for like a year. At that point the European's should have been backing us, they, especially the French gave a blind eye to the rogue nation.
    So it's all fun and games getting cheap oil from the devil until they start acting like the devil they are. If we truly had allies in Europe they would have maintained an embargo against Iran from day 1 and we would be dealing with this crap now.

    I have no clue at this point why we aren't just sinking these small boats the minute they appear on the horizon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    Thatís what they did with the vessel in the video I linked above. Just watched a pirated ship get taken to Somalia. No attempt to intervene or block the ship from being taken to the coast. I really donít know what the purpose of them being in the AO is if they just observe hijacked/pirated ships being taken.
    They had to know that the Iranians were going to try something. The Brits should have put high-order violence people on their ships, gotten the ships into convoys they could actually cover , or at least slicked up the sides with pig grease... They poked the goat molesters and the the got screwed like a goat- where is the surprise in this?

    Britain is like inviting someone to a BYOB party and they show up with a airline bottle of Cutty Sark.

    Seems like some Apache's with Hellfires would be a nice tool. Kind of sad that the Navy seems to need to strap Marine assets to their decks to combat drones or put anti-armour cannon on target.

    Can we lend/lease the Brits those POS Independence class ships to get sunk so that we can buy real frigates? Littoral, more like Clitoral since they can only screw around and never get into the good stuff..
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    Does anyone even remember Operation Prime Chance, during the Iran-Iraq war? That was my first trip to that part of the world and the ROE's were quite simple but robust regarding Iranian interference with shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    They had to know that the Iranians were going to try something. The Brits should have put high-order violence people on their ships, gotten the ships into convoys they could actually cover , or at least slicked up the sides with pig grease... They poked the goat molesters and the the got screwed like a goat- where is the surprise in this?

    Britain is like inviting someone to a BYOB party and they show up with a airline bottle of Cutty Sark.

    Seems like some Apache's with Hellfires would be a nice tool. Kind of sad that the Navy seems to need to strap Marine assets to their decks to combat drones or put anti-armour cannon on target.

    Can we lend/lease the Brits those POS Independence class ships to get sunk so that we can buy real frigates? Littoral, more like Clitoral since they can only screw around and never get into the good stuff..
    lol the French. When they deployed to Africa we had to put them on our heavy lift AC because apparently itís just not a capability they have.

    Europeans have some good units but thereís no depth there and they are completely incapable of sustaining combat operations. I recently watched some of their videos with British units in Afghanistan and they had one medical helo for their entire contingent. So if the one helo was broke or being used their entire force suspended ops meaning no patrols and multiple units just did nothing.

    The world would be a very different place right now if we sat out like the Euroís have post WW2. Just on the naval side we keep shipping lanes open in much of the world. The Euroís want to commerce with Iran...let them deal with hijacked ships. Our energy independence allows us to NGAF about Euro ships. They bashed Trump for pulling out of the Iran deal now they can deal with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    lol the French. When they deployed to Africa we had to put them on our heavy lift AC because apparently it’s just not a capability they have.

    Europeans have some good units but there’s no depth there and they are completely incapable of sustaining combat operations. I recently watched some of their videos with British units in Afghanistan and they had one medical helo for their entire contingent. So if the one helo was broke or being used their entire force suspended ops meaning no patrols and multiple units just did nothing.

    The world would be a very different place right now if we sat out like the Euro’s have post WW2. Just on the naval side we keep shipping lanes open in much of the world. The Euro’s want to commerce with Iran...let them deal with hijacked ships. Our energy independence allows us to NGAF about Euro ships. They bashed Trump for pulling out of the Iran deal now they can deal with them.
    All good points.

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    Regarding the Iranians... give me a few million bucks and an old scrapyard-bait tramp freighter and I'll show you how to solve this... *coughcoughQ-shipcoughcough*

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    Basic rule of the jungle, if you can't protect yo shit...they will take yo shit.

    What was true in Junior High is true in lots of places in the world. And anyone who doesn't know Iran is a rogue state, hasn't been paying attention to the last several decades. The current government is the same one who took hostages during the revolution. If you can't respect basic concepts like Embassies, you failed diplomacy 101. Iran has no interest in real diplomacy of any kind.
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    Diplomacy With Bullies, I favor the SKIB method myself. A good ol' Swift Kick In the Balls is a remarkably effective attitude adjuster, especially when delivered via steeltoe...
    You really have to ask why Conservatives have guns? Because Liberals block freeways, burn cities, throw Molotov cocktails, loot, turn over cop cars, and think this behavior is Socially Acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Regarding the Iranians... give me a few million bucks and an old scrapyard-bait tramp freighter and I'll show you how to solve this... *coughcoughQ-shipcoughcough*

    The "Oregon" in Clive Cussler's novels is pure fiction, but a lot of its core concepts are fundamentally valid.
    Ironically the limp wristed navies of europe would unite to sink your Racist "Bismarck" under a barrage of cruise missles and 3 weeks of CNN coverage... or at least try to hold hands across the gulf to keep you out.... anything to prevent a single less than fortunate Iranian or "Pirate" receive anything more than stern warnings from some dude a few hundreds yards away.





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