New 4 yr study on MRDS vs iron signs on pistols

[YVK]

In last one month the following happened with while I was shooting RDS guns

- multiple dots effect while engaging a target against low laying sun

- made unusable by rain

- died because of internal failure (Deltapoint)

- attachment screws loosened despite by-the-protocol mounting.

RDS are pretty potent enhancers but they still have loads of issues.

[farmhard]

In last one month the following happened with while I was shooting RDS guns

- multiple dots effect while engaging a target against low laying sun

- made unusable by rain

- died because of internal failure (Deltapoint)

- attachment screws loosened despite by-the-protocol mounting.

RDS are pretty potent enhancers but they still have loads of issues.

Part of the class I was in was during a misty to light rain day i had no issues with the rain but some others did their problems were alleviated with a product called (cat crap) applied to the lense of the optics. What mounting system did you use?

[YVK]

The optic that had refractory errors due to sun and rain was a DPP, not sure which of my three. Cat crap doesn't not help when water gets to the emitter.

The optic that got loose was the SRO attached to a CZ Custom plate.

[MegademiC]

In last one month the following happened with while I was shooting RDS guns

- multiple dots effect while engaging a target against low laying sun

- made unusable by rain

- died because of internal failure (Deltapoint)

- attachment screws loosened despite by-the-protocol mounting.

RDS are pretty potent enhancers but they still have loads of issues.

Rmr seems to have less issues with sun than others.
As for rain, IME it doesnt make it unusable, you just need to experience it to know how the sight pic changes.
For a ccw situation, the dot is protected until the draw.

As for mounting, the aeti pro cut > glock mos, sample of 1 each.

[farmhard]

Scott did mention to use the biggest blob if you had issues after applying cat crap, But no one In the class did (no one had a delta point only rmrs, holosun, and a doctor). I've heard of issues with the glock mos plates but never the cz, thats a new one to me.

[Wake27]

In last one month the following happened with while I was shooting RDS guns

- multiple dots effect while engaging a target against low laying sun

- made unusable by rain

- died because of internal failure (Deltapoint)

- attachment screws loosened despite by-the-protocol mounting.

RDS are pretty potent enhancers but they still have loads of issues.

Depends on the dot and mount interface.


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[YVK]

Rmr seems to have less issues with sun than others.
As for rain, IME it doesnt make it unusable, you just need to experience it to know how the sight pic changes.
For a ccw situation, the dot is protected until the draw.

As for mounting, the aeti pro cut > glock mos, sample of 1 each.

I don't have a lot of experience with RMR when shooting outdoors, although a friend reported a complete washout as he was trying to shoot some rodent.

The sight pic changed into multiple dots, or one fractionated, that got back to normal after I dried it out with a hair dryer in my hotel room. Just like this scenario...

Scott did mention to use the biggest blob if you had issues after applying cat crap...

... finding the biggest blob and tracking it in recoil was very slow. I do agree that in a CCW this should be a lesser problem but I don't see how open emitter optics can be duty grade. After I came back home, I put a closed emitter optic on one of mine.


I too prefer direct milling over the plate system, I have about four direct and two adapter slides. I totally cannot stand a pro-cut type of milling though. Nothing more frustrating that needing to replace an RDS, having two more of the same type and brand at home, and neither of them fit in that custom tailored pocket.

[Coal Dragger]

In last one month the following happened with while I was shooting RDS guns

- multiple dots effect while engaging a target against low laying sun

- made unusable by rain

- died because of internal failure (Deltapoint)

- attachment screws loosened despite by-the-protocol mounting.

RDS are pretty potent enhancers but they still have loads of issues.

A few of your issues are easily addressed by the Aimpoint ACRO.

Closed emitter makes it rain proof, so that issue pretty much goes away. Plus Aimpoint got it right with the mounting footprint with an integral recoil lug on the bottom of the sight with a screw only used for horizontal clamping. This method has no screws subjected to shear forces or otherwise leveraged to work loose, as long as the slide is milled for the optic and you don’t have a plate to also deal with.

Not sure about the internal hardiness of the ACRO but if Aimpoint’s claims are true about being developed on a .40S&W then I’d expect more robustness than you got with the Leupold.

On shooting targets with the shooter facing the sun, well yeah that shit tends to suck regardless of sights.

[MountainRaven]

A few of your issues are easily addressed by the Aimpoint ACRO.

Closed emitter makes it rain proof, so that issue pretty much goes away. Plus Aimpoint got it right with the mounting footprint with an integral recoil lug on the bottom of the sight with a screw only used for horizontal clamping. This method has no screws subjected to shear forces or otherwise leveraged to work loose, as long as the slide is milled for the optic and you don’t have a plate to also deal with.

Not sure about the internal hardiness of the ACRO but if Aimpoint’s claims are true about being developed on a .40S&W then I’d expect more robustness than you got with the Leupold.

On shooting targets with the shooter facing the sun, well yeah that shit tends to suck regardless of sights.

The ACRO did well in Aaron Cowan's destructive testing, I'd expect it to hold up well.

The problem with the ACRO, however, is that the battery life is hot garbage, at least if you plan to use the ACRO like any other Aimpoint reflex sight (left on all the time). The Type 2 RMR seems, for now, to still be the king of the pistol red dots.

[YVK]

Besides the battery issues, another set of problems with ACRO is its size. The physical size of the unit itself is too big for me to conceal to my concealment standards. The physical size of its optic window is too small to be interesting for competition.
I've a T1 on one of my Glocks as my weather proof setup. Also doesn't conceal worth a damn but at least I dont need to worry about batteries. T1s supposedly break down on pistols but mine is doing ok so far.