Something to consider if for military use is the ability to mount white light and IR illuminators/designators, along with the switchology to go with it; this will force the need for a rail system, which IMO heavily tilts the field toward the AR pattern. More modern designs such as the SCAR, BREN, ARX, APC, etc. are also going to be a better fit than the legacy guns, at least in a first world military context.
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I find it interesting how many of these legacy guns where mass produced and cant really stand up to the round counts that we think of. Sure the stamped steel makes a good club; but they couldnt handle the train ups and round counts of modern deployments.
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If extreme long distance and accuracy are most important, you gotta go high end bolt gun with longer barrel. If high capacity and quick follow up shots reign supreme. Your knights / LMT would be unbeatable.
And these rifles have proven themselves. The AR10 can be used substituted for a precision role more than a bolt gun can replace the AR10. However both are awesome and 7.62 continues to prove itself as a wonderfully useful round in either weapon.
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Why an 18+ inch barrel?
Personally I feel the 16" 7.62x51 AR is a follow-on to the 16" (or shorter) 5.56mm versions. "If I can have a 5.56 in a 16" barrel why can't I have a 7.62 in the same length?" I honestly think it's a reaction to 5.56 AR trends.
I'm old enough to recall when an 18" barreled .308 was about as low as you went. Para FAL, HK G3, Springfield Scout, etc. It is only in recent years (to me!) that 16" has become an acceptable .308 alternative.
I am convinced that the 7.62x51 is best in 18" or greater barrel lengths. A 16" barrel just robs the round of better performance. While that can be said of nearly any cartridge, 5.56mm has a little more "give" and flexibility than .308.
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I’ve heard both that it isn’t coming, and it isn’t coming yet... I really hope it’s the later. It looks really promising though. I’m pretty sure they’re still getting it ironed out for the LE version. CZ seems to embrace the civilian market and I’m certain if there is a way to get a pistol version imported, they will. It may take a distributor to buy and spec a large quantity of pistols for them to get moving on it. Like JDI with San Swiss. It’s taking long enough for the Bren 2 ms to get here in any numbers.
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