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Thread: Do you think an AR10-style platform is better than other 7.62 bullet launchers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinister View Post
    You're going to have to look far and wide to beat an AR-based 7.62 individual battle rifle.

    No way the M14. The FAL had a stamped receiver cover -- lousy for optics. The G3 is plain heavy.

    The original Fairchild-Artillerie Armalite and the second-generation Westrom AR-10 can be updated for all the modern gadgets. Knights has some turn-key off-the-shelf rifles you'd just have to add ammo. LMT's could stand to lose some weight.
    The LMT LW barrel put the MWS at about KAC PC weight.
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    Something to consider if for military use is the ability to mount white light and IR illuminators/designators, along with the switchology to go with it; this will force the need for a rail system, which IMO heavily tilts the field toward the AR pattern. More modern designs such as the SCAR, BREN, ARX, APC, etc. are also going to be a better fit than the legacy guns, at least in a first world military context.
    Plus Áa change, plus c'est la mÍme chose.

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    I find it interesting how many of these legacy guns where mass produced and cant really stand up to the round counts that we think of. Sure the stamped steel makes a good club; but they couldnt handle the train ups and round counts of modern deployments.
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    If extreme long distance and accuracy are most important, you gotta go high end bolt gun with longer barrel. If high capacity and quick follow up shots reign supreme. Your knights / LMT would be unbeatable.

    And these rifles have proven themselves. The AR10 can be used substituted for a precision role more than a bolt gun can replace the AR10. However both are awesome and 7.62 continues to prove itself as a wonderfully useful round in either weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NQNPIII View Post
    Then it needs to be out for a year or two until they work the bugs out.
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    Yes. It needs to prove itself. But CZ isnít Sig USA... It will get squared away.

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    Why an 18+ inch barrel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Why an 18+ inch barrel?
    Because 14.5Ē 6.5s havenít hit mainstream yet.











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    Quote Originally Posted by wolffie View Post
    Iíll agree with most of whatís said. And say that the AR10 has the most potential of current rifles designs.

    However, One rifle that looks incredibly promising, and hasnít been brought up is the CZ Bren BR. It just isnít available yet. If it turns out to be what it advertises... And CZ has a good track record in that regard, it will be what the scar should have been.
    I've emailed CZ twice about the Bren BR and both times they've claimed it's not coming to the United States. Neither is the .22LR 457 Premium which I also want. I hope they're lying about both!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Why an 18+ inch barrel?
    Personally I feel the 16" 7.62x51 AR is a follow-on to the 16" (or shorter) 5.56mm versions. "If I can have a 5.56 in a 16" barrel why can't I have a 7.62 in the same length?" I honestly think it's a reaction to 5.56 AR trends.

    I'm old enough to recall when an 18" barreled .308 was about as low as you went. Para FAL, HK G3, Springfield Scout, etc. It is only in recent years (to me!) that 16" has become an acceptable .308 alternative.

    I am convinced that the 7.62x51 is best in 18" or greater barrel lengths. A 16" barrel just robs the round of better performance. While that can be said of nearly any cartridge, 5.56mm has a little more "give" and flexibility than .308.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danus ex View Post
    I've emailed CZ twice about the Bren BR and both times they've claimed it's not coming to the United States. Neither is the .22LR 457 Premium which I also want. I hope they're lying about both!
    Iíve heard both that it isnít coming, and it isnít coming yet... I really hope itís the later. It looks really promising though. Iím pretty sure theyíre still getting it ironed out for the LE version. CZ seems to embrace the civilian market and Iím certain if there is a way to get a pistol version imported, they will. It may take a distributor to buy and spec a large quantity of pistols for them to get moving on it. Like JDI with San Swiss. Itís taking long enough for the Bren 2 ms to get here in any numbers.

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