US Citizen held 3 weeks in ICE facility

[WillBrink]

Assuming we are getting the full details (always suspect these days...) I think this is bad mojo. This kid is stopped at an inland checkpoint (1), has valid state ID, and sits in facility for 3+ weeks. He was traveling with illegals, so he's far from innocent kid as far as that goes, but 3 weeks seems ridiculous and I suspect this kid will win if/when he sues. Supposedly, 72 hours is the maximum they can hold someone for that. Perhaps an additional charge for aiding and abetting or similar an illegal? I'm more bothered by the inland checkpoints than this event per se, but it reminded me of how much that bothers me.

(1) Many are not aware that there is a 100 mile border zone they can operate in and it's perfect legal to set up a border check point say 80 miles from the border and ask for passports and ID. I think that's BS and unconstitutional and always have, and it's one of the rare times I agree with the ACLU on the topic*. I could see say 5 miles from the border, but 100?! Random check points asking people for their papers 90 miles from the border makes my skin crawl and sets off my Libertarian positions big time. I don't know how inland he was, but it says it was an inland check point so that's fail #1 for and I question the constitutionality of it.

* https://www.aclu.org/other/constitut...le-border-zone

The story:

https://abc7chicago.com/ice-releases...weeks/5415640/

[kwelz]

There is a lot here. First off I think he 100 mile szone is bullshit and needs to go. I am also pissed at a US citizen being held for this long. There is NEVER an excuse for that.

However from what I have heard there is some blame on his mothers part. Apparently she falsified information on a passport for him some years back and claimed he was Mexican born. So they had conflicting information. It does not make any of this right but it is additional information that is pertinent to the situation.

But again we don't live in a papers please society. It shouldn't matter if it is in Indiana or 10 feet this side of the border. Unless you have reason to stop a person and doubt them then there should be no stopping that person and detaining them. And they sure as hell should not be held for a month.

[MountainRaven]

This is why one doesn’t say things like, “BuT iLlEgAlS dOn’T hAvE cOnStItUtIoNaL rIgHtS.”

I’m pretty sure holding anyone (CONUS) for longer than 72 hours without access to legal counsel is a violation of the United States Constitution per SCOTUS.

[Doc Safari]

Not knowing all the details isn't guilt by association still a thing? If he was associating with criminals that got caught wouldn't law enforcement have been justified in arresting him until a full investigation could be made? I agree someone should have vetted him sooner than three weeks but the border is overwhelmed with migrants. We live in an imperfect world. Don't dadgum travel with illegals if you don't wanna be cuffed.

[WillBrink]

There is a lot here. First off I think he 100 mile szone is bullshit and needs to go. I am also pissed at a US citizen being held for this long. There is NEVER an excuse for that.

However from what I have heard there is some blame on his mothers part. Apparently she falsified information on a passport for him some years back and claimed he was Mexican born. So they had conflicting information. It does not make any of this right but it is additional information that is pertinent to the situation.

But again we don't live in a papers please society. It shouldn't matter if it is in Indiana or 10 feet this side of the border. Unless you have reason to stop a person and doubt them then there should be no stopping that person and detaining them. And they sure as hell should not be held for a month.

That would definitely add to the confusion then, but the inland stop and 3+ weeks detention sites poorly with me.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

The inland border checks are BS. I hate them and one of the reasons I stopped visiting south Texas. I can't stand having to drive back through them.


It really sucks that he spent 3 weeks in custody and we need to find out why and how to make sure it doesn't happen again, but I would assume it's a result of an overwhelmed BP.

[Todd.K]

He is in the system as an alien when they run biometrics. How rare (not to mention incredibly stupid) do you think it is for someone to fraudulently claim Mexican citizenship? Then his birth certificate is fraudulent, at least in the name of his mother.

The narrative is that this is a common (racist) occurrence and was done without probable cause, and that clearly is not true.

I think it's still possible he is an alien, but was released because they can't prove the birth certificate is entirely false.

[Renegade]

There is more to this story than we are told. Nobody lies about being born in Mexico if they were really born in the USA.

[SteyrAUG]

There is more to this story than we are told. Nobody lies about being born in Mexico if they were really born in the USA.

Yep, smells like a false flag op. I suspect he is US born and a citizen and did everything he could to raise every red flag and not look like a US citizen so he could be arrested and create some drama.

[223to45]

This kid is stopped at an inland checkpoint (1), has valid state ID, and sits in facility for 3+ weeks. He was traveling with illegals, so he's far from innocent kid as far as that goes,

One those illegals was his brother. I heard all he had with him was a Mexican ID, not an official one but one something to do with soccer while traveling.

Have read a couple different things, so not not what is what.

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