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Thread: What ever happened to the Small Frame 308?

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    Since this thread is about small frames and technical knowledge; I thought I would share a list of videos from a creator on youtube known as 'small arms solutions'. I think he was employeed by Colt for awhile and is considered a firearms historian.


    POF revolution
    https://youtu.be/qwKNoLXUFXM

    Savage MSR 10
    https://youtu.be/ooK-2HQqHOQ

    Colt 901
    https://youtu.be/Xi9ywUJxuso

    DPMS G2
    https://youtu.be/BYlNDdEOl8s
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    Ill add a vote for the new Colt CM, I have one it feels like a small one to me.

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    Would the Daniel Defense DD5 rifles be considered small frame? I owned one and it certainly balanced like a small frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKennedy View Post
    Would the Daniel Defense DD5 rifles be considered small frame? I owned one and it certainly balanced like a small frame.
    Ive only handled one but I agree, it feels small to me.

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    Small frame is a technical term, not just a matter of weight; you can have a small frame .308 be heavier than a large frame. A small frame simply means that from the magwell on back, the receivers are identical to an AR-15. The DD5s would not qualify as small frame (you can easily see the elongation of the receiver right before the RE), while I think the CM762 does.

    Would have been interesting to see the RemDef CSASS make it to the market, although being RemDef, it's a pipe dream.
    Last edited by Defaultmp3; 07-30-19 at 23:50.
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    If KAC did a small frame, short barreled setup in 308 and 6.5CM, I'd be all over it. I've heard about the 14.5" 6.5CM SR25 they're working on. Now imagine if that gun were a small frame setup. Same size, OAL, weight as an M4, but with capability to stay supersonic to around 1,200 yards. I am sure the existing large frame 6.5 gun is already plenty light. We've seen how light they can make an SR25, so weight isn't really the issue. I dig the small frame guns because of the reduced length and bulk / size envelope. OAL on a 16" AR10 / SR25 is approx the same as an 18" 5.56. Small frame guns (most) are closer in length, and in some cases identical, to their 5.56 counterparts. I think the difference is quite distinguishable when running a can.

    The Remington offerings are linked below. From Remington's website:

    Our patent-pending 7.62mm carbine design, re-engineered from the bolt group to the buttstock to deliver 7.62mm knock-down power with the handling characteristics and similar outside dimensions of a 5.56mm AR carbine. The R10's hammer-forged, sniper-grade barrel features 5R rifling for added precision and an effective range out to 800 meters. All R10s have fully ambidextrous controls and free floated modular Remington Arms Handguards (RAHG) (coming soon in MLOKģ). As the standard 7.62mm duty carbine of the US Drug Enforcement Administration and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the R10 firearm system is sure to meet your needs as well.
    https://www.remingtondefense.com/sni...r10-erasr.html - R10 Extended Range Assault Sniper Rifle

    https://www.remingtondefense.com/carbines/r10/r10.html - R10


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    Just in case anyone is is interested, I asked Adams Arms customer service and they said their small frame upper will work on the DPMS G2 lower.
    I assume the reverse is true as well. So at least two firearm companies are collaborating on cross compatibility to some degree regarding this small frame stuff.

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    I was watching those youtube videos I linked, and think Adams/DPMS may be the only compatible reciever set. Savage and Colt did their own thing and are not compatible with anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKennedy View Post
    Would the Daniel Defense DD5 rifles be considered small frame? I owned one and it certainly balanced like a small frame.
    No, it's not

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    Hereís a picture of my DPMS G2 308 beside my Daniel Defense DDMV7 pro.

    The G2 has a Rainer Arms match grade 16 inch barrel with rifle length gas system. Iíve got a little bastard brake on it. Itís a reasonably light handy rifle. The old USO scope on top is a bit heavy. Iím considering something lighter.


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