Trump giving up 2A rights, for Immigration bill?

**WickedWillis** · 08-05-19, 17:41

So the last two days have clearly been terrible. Combined in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio we have at least 31 people dead due to deranged psychopaths. Politicians on both sides are wasting zero time bringing up "Red Flag" gun laws, and other ways to constrict the 2nd.

Trump is now willing to add in more thorough background checks (I cannot confirm if he means Red flag laws, or other litigation) to his Immigration Reform Legislation. http://https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/...shootings.html

There is also chatter in the industry that Gov is working on a backdoor law to ban pistol braces as well right now, like they did with bump stocks earlier. Allegedly the shooter in Dayton had an AR Pistol (I hate being right, but I called this shit on a thread a few weeks back). I said it with bump stocks, and I will say it again with braces, all of this is a slippery slope. We even have some of the representatives we thought were 100% pro 2A mentioning Red Flag laws as well as expanded background checks, I'm looking at you Dan Crenshaw (Insert Obi-Wan screaming "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!")
http://https://twitter.com/RepDanCre...59710609788929

Why has there not been a thread on here sooner regarding all of this?

**Firefly** · 08-05-19, 17:50

I am over the 4D chess meme but part of me thinks this will just poisonpill immigration reform.

And IIRC braces are "safe" because their whole concept was for amputees and disabled to be able to shoot an AR pistol.

**Doc Safari** · 08-05-19, 17:51

Originally Posted by Firefly

I am over the 4D chess meme but part of me thinks this will just poisonpill immigration reform.

And IIRC braces are "safe" because their whole concept was for amputees and disabled to be able to shoot an AR pistol.

I hear it makes it easier for unicorns to shoot rainbows out of their ass, too.

The libs and MSM are already on this:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...le/1920506001/

Even though it looked like a rifle, the gun used to kill nine people and wound at least 14 more was likely classified as a pistol, skirting around laws restricting short-barreled rifles.

Will the device on Connor Betts' weapon, called a "pistol brace," become the next bump stock in nation's gun control debate?

On Monday, Dayton Police Chief Richard Biehl said Betts' gun was "modified in essence to function like a rifle" and "to avoid any legal prohibitions." He did not specifically cite a pistol brace, but photos of the weapon released by police show one.

The federal restrictions on short-barreled rifles were enacted to stop people from making rifles, guns fired from the shoulder, more concealable. Rifles typically can fire more powerful cartridges than pistols and shoulder stocks allow the rifles to be fired more accurately.

It is illegal to own a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16 inches without paying $200 for a National Firearms Act tax stamp and completing all the related paperwork and background checks. The process is similar to legally owning a fully-automatic rifle.

It is unclear if Betts' went through this process, but the firearm he used did have a barrel shorter than 16 inches.

AR-15 style firearms can be rifles or pistols. A pistol can have a short barrel, but no shoulder stock. A rifle can have a shoulder stock, but the barrel must be 16 inches or longer.

**kerplode** · 08-05-19, 17:53

Yeah, ****boy L'Orange will sign any gun control legislation that get to him and Frenchie La Douche of the NRA will kiss his balls the entire time.

Also Pirate Dan can eat a dick.

**WickedWillis** · 08-05-19, 18:23

Originally Posted by Firefly

I am over the 4D chess meme but part of me thinks this will just poisonpill immigration reform.

And IIRC braces are "safe" because their whole concept was for amputees and disabled to be able to shoot an AR pistol.

Me too man. We saw several that were supposed to be on "Our Side" turn in favor of popular opinion, and new restrictions. No thanks.

**Coal Dragger** · 08-05-19, 18:27

Well if the deal is some gun control laws on background checks or whatever, but Dems have to agree to actual immigration changes and border security this is DOA. Total non-starter.

It's a way for Lord Cheeto to claim he tried and blame Democrats for blocking it because they care more about illegals than they care about safety or whatever. He will bandy it about and use it to beat his opponents about the head and neck with going into an election.

**KTR03** · 08-05-19, 18:52

Originally Posted by Coal Dragger

Well if the deal is some gun control laws on background checks or whatever, but Dems have to agree to actual immigration changes and border security this is DOA. Total non-starter.

It's a way for Lord Cheeto to claim he tried and blame Democrats for blocking it because they care more about illegals than they care about safety or whatever. He will bandy it about and use it to beat his opponents about the head and neck with going into an election.

I hope people are waking up and smelling the coffee now. The president "get the guns first, worry about due process later", has never been a 2 A supporter. Everything is transactional. If it gets him what he wants, he will sell all of us down the river. Mr. Obama tried to ban bump stocks and concluded that he didn't have the legal authority to do it. Trump... no problem...

It is time for the GOP to realize that they sold their soul for 2 Supreme court picks. We are going to be left picking up the mess and it is going to be a sunday morning frat house basement kind of mess...

**Alex V** · 08-05-19, 19:05

The one thing we have on our side is that Dems won’t deal on immigration. The other is that we have 40 or so days before Congress is back from vacation. People have the attention span of gold fish today.

We shall see.

**ABNAK** · 08-05-19, 19:10

Originally Posted by KTR03

I hope people are waking up and smelling the coffee now. The president "get the guns first, worry about due process later", has never been a 2 A supporter. Everything is transactional. If it gets him what he wants, he will sell all of us down the river. Mr. Obama tried to ban bump stocks and concluded that he didn't have the legal authority to do it. Trump... no problem...

It is time for the GOP to realize that they sold their soul for 2 Supreme court picks. We are going to be left picking up the mess and it is going to be a sunday morning frat house basement kind of mess...

Trump isn't stupid. He may not be "pro-gun" per se, but he knows if something as asinine as a new AWB comes along he better not sign it or he goes back to NY in January of 2021. After that? All bets are off.....